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the irony. is that when apartheid falls, everyone will have the same rights.
and the worst biggots will be forced to live in a more peaceful and loving society, and the only consequence they'll face is that maybe their children will tell their grand children to forgive their grandparents opinions because they are from a "different time".
however, there will need to be Nuremberg trials and put leaders, war criminals and genocide propagandists in jail to rot for the rest of their lives.
I hope that's true. I wish it to be so. But I wonder some days if Israel won't just end up a North Korea style pariah state, a hypermilitarized enclave too prickly for the surrounding states to bother dismantling.
if that were to happen, Palestine will get intentional support and it'll be like North/South Korea. Israel will be hell, Palestine will be a nice place to live.
I wouldn't really call South Korea a nice place to live. Compared to the north, sure, but not overall.
the comparison was about one being a ok modem state, and another a pariah hellscape state.
not saying that Palestinians will become Koreans
Damn even the autobots are fash now?
I want to say they meant guillotines for the fascists, but if they couldn't think of the right word, I'm doubting their sincerity.
Pretty sure they did mean that, which is actually correct. Though their phrasing of relating it to a 'final solution' leaves ample room for hating on entire groups instead of individuals who are pushing for the bad stuff, so... kinda' a wash without further context, IMO.
At the point of referencing the Final Solution in the context of several million people, we've gone far beyond executing 'individuals'
Even millions of people are individuals. The point is how are they asking judgement to be passed. In a world of BILLIONS, it's purely assinine to draw a line at a fraction of a percent as, "this is simply too many to judge individually". That's insanely defeatest and basically just says you do not understand the scale of the world and all the dipshits in it.
The post is explicitly in reference to Israel, which has some 9 million people.
Its in refference to Israel's pro-genocide supporters in the US and elsewhere. Last I checked, "pedophile" was not one of the accusations against Netanyahu and his cronnies in Israel proper.
and? They cannot be judged for their actions? What is this fucking brainless zionist take?
"Zionism is when you think genocide is bad"
Ahh, moving on to strawmanning? I'm starting to understand why others have claimed you're bad, because you are hilariously immature for how much you know of history...
You do realize that nearly every modern genocide has been predicated on the idea that an ethnicity is suitably composed of criminal elements to warrant the extermination of a significant proportion of its members, right?
If your claim is "We're going to kill a third of the population of Israel and explicitly liken it to Hitler's Final Solution, but it's not genocide", I fucking question how you take the ongoing genocide of Palestine which has 'only' killed some 10% of the population of Gaza. You fucking think that Israelis aren't peddling that exact same kind of shite you're spreading amongst themselves?
Yes, and every single person who calls for a genocide is wrong. That should be utterly clear by now.
What I mean when I say, "so they cannot be judged?" is to say ruling by numbers is utterly stupid. There is no quantity of people so great that they cannot be INDIVIDUALLY judged. If you liken judging hateful bigots who ARE committing a genocide as equal to a genocide of its own, then you are simply too stupid to understand this entire conversation...
Is EVERYONE saying, "Nazis are bad" also asking for a "big bad genocide"? Or are they stating a fact of relaity that some ideologies are so gross that they do not deserve to be espoused without serious consequence? Seriously, your insistence on being ignorant to this makes me wonder where your morals actually lay... You are clearly espousing more zionism than "genocides are bad"...
What I mean when I say, “so they cannot be judged?” is to say ruling by numbers is utterly stupid. There is no quantity of people so great that they cannot be INDIVIDUALLY judged.
Oh, okay, so as long as there are trials beforehand, genocide is okay.
If you liken judging hateful bigots who ARE committing a genocide as equal to a genocide of its own, then you are simply too stupid to understand this entire conversation…
If someone's response to "Tens-to-hundreds of thousands of people have been genocided" is "It's time for a Final Solution for millions of people", that is absolutely advocacy for a fucking genocide.
Is EVERYONE saying, “Nazis are bad” also asking for a “big bad genocide”? Or are they stating a fact of relaity that some ideologies are so gross that they do not deserve to be espoused without serious consequence?
If I said "If Germany is destroyed within our lifetimes, what do we do with tens of millions of child molesters and fascists who've been indoctrinated into a death cult without an expansionist project to occupy them?"
And someone else said, "There is an answer, but the only issue is that it'll be conflated with the Germans' Final Solution despite having a much more worthy endpoint this time around"
What the ever-loving fuck is that but a call for genocide?
Seriously, your insistence on being ignorant to this makes me wonder where your morals actually lay… You are clearly espousing more zionism than “genocides are bad”…
"Zionism is when I don't like being called out for dogwhistling genocide", I guess. Unless you can point out something I've said that's actually Zionist. Considering my literal previous comment involved explicitly calling out the Israelis for peddling the same kind of genocide apologia that you are right now, I suspect you'll struggle to find what you're looking for.
I don't see you post about zionists saying the same thing about palestinians
Tankiejerk is a comm for making fun of tankies, who are generally anti-Zionist. Furthermore, Lemmy in general is usually pretty anti-Zionist, making such posts largely redundant, though I do have a few lamenting the sheer horror of the genocide of the Palestinian people anyway.
