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[–] trk@aussie.zone 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why does Labor keep destroying any chance of re-election over such stupidity?

They have an overwhelming majority where they could push through all sorts of positive and progressive policy, but instead we end up with internet filters / banning kids from YouTube / backdooring Signal / whatever other dystopian crap they keep wanting to pull.

The short term whinge fest about good policy would be completely forgotten by the next election and you could win the public's favour off the results of that good policy... But instead all we'll remember is another attempt to ruin our online experience.

Do something good instead of being cunts ffs.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's actually a really good method of analysis that is highly predictive about the actions of classes of people politically.

[–] notgold@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

historical materialism

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is what I meant when I said on election night Albo is centre right at best.

[–] Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Albo is a grub, all of Labor are.

Greens are the only viable left wing party.

[–] notgold@aussie.zone -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Greens don't do shit. Vic socialists are your friends. They care about the person and the worker.

Don't be friends with the boss

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago

Greens don't do shit

They can't, not enough people vote for them. They have zero teeth, the LNP will vote for this shitty legislation in the Senate, so what are the Greens to do ?

Vic socialists are your friends.

Well, preference them.second. they have even less teeth ffs.

[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When it comes to digital rights we have slowly been heading towards fascist dystopia.

I first stated paying attention when Rudd / Conroy tried to filter the internet. Although IIRC mobile phone Know Your Customer came in post sept 2001.

Since then it's just been a frog in a pot. Meta data retention, assistance and access, identify and disrupt now the hand your ID to every fucking site/app bullshit posing as a kids social media ban.

It's always been about the ability to silence dissent.

Fuck our politicians. Enjoying saying that while I can. Probably won't be long before saying that will get your internet cut off.

[–] notgold@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bring back local wireless networks to connect us together and keep the big Yankee tech mobs out of our faces.

[–] kudra@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

It's happening.

[–] DisOne@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

While I’m unhappy about potentially losing Signal, the second half of the article about expanding ASIO’s powers is even more chilling. Most people I know don’t use or care about Signal unfortunately.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Some alternatives:

  1. XMPP (with encryption explicitly turned ON, we know, not on by default, we know, WE KNOW. THANKS)
  2. Briar
  3. SimpleX
[–] DisOne@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

True, but that extra layer of difficulty will slough off the tiny percentage of my friends and family that do use Signal. I’ve the knowledge and motivation to use it; most people just want to download an app, make an account and get started

[–] mojo@aus.social 8 points 3 days ago

@DisOne @DarkCloud
Albanese govt pushing new laws to expand ASIO’s secret interrogation powers—no longer just “anti-terror”, now targeting “sabotage”, “border threats” & dissent. Jail for not complying or even speaking about it. All this as public anger over war, inequality & repression grows.

#auspol #civilrights #policestate #signal #privacy

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Meredith Whittaker, the president of the foundation for widely-used global Signal encrypted messaging app, has said it will shut down the system in Australia if forced to hand over its users’ encrypted data to the country’s political surveillance agency, the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO).

...raises hand

"You have stored data on your users?"

[–] TimePencil@infosec.exchange 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

@Vanilla_PuddinFudge

Yes...
... but that's OK.

Lemme explain...

A Signal user will commonly have the client app installed on their mobile device.

They may also have a second client on a laptop that syncs the same data.

If the user goes on holiday for a week but leaves their laptop behind, it won't be synced to the laptop.

On return from holiday, the laptop client uses its decryption keys to retrieve the last week's worth of messages.

I *think* Signal can do this (retrieve cached messages from the Signal servers) for up to 14 days.

That said, the entire Signal cache is encrypted on their servers, and one's messages are fully E2EE and retrievable only by the user.

(However, one weakness of Signal is that a desktop or laptop client's cache is stored unencrypted. To secure these, one needs to use full disk encryption at the OS level or higher.)

@DarkCloud

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Your chats... It's a messenger service. You can set your chats to disappear if you like, but they're stored until you set them to be deleted (if you do take that option at all).

Plus, they store your user name ect...

[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's a legitimate argument to be had about privacy vs. safety. The police need information to investigate crimes, complete privacy means all crimes go unsolved. It should absolutely require the police put in some legwork, law enforcement shouldn't be able to be automated, but where in-between the two extremes you draw the line on this issue is subjective.

I don't want the government to have all the information, and I do want the government to be able to enforce the law. VPN's are probably where I draw the line, private access to information is a red-line for me. Signal chat is a grey area for me, because it is also a means of accessing information but privacy of association is not something I consider to be important enough for the risks to public safety.

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Damn, good thing the internet came along. Crazt how no crimes were ever solved before then, and detectives just sat around hoping people would turn themselves in

[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] notgold@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From page 25 there is crime clearance rates in Australia for the 2 decades before the internet. Looks like crime was solved before the internet existed.

https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/size-crime-problem-australia-january-1987.pdf

[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  • 9/10 murders
  • 3/4 serious assaults
  • 2/3 rapes
  • 1/4 robberies
  • 1/8 burgularies
  • 4/5 car thefts
  • 4/5 frauds

Higher than I thought honestly. I thought it was like 1/4 murders that were solved.

[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

you seem very badly informed in this matter (digital privacy). please do some research, or speak with GPT, even it will tell you you’re convictions are ill founded.