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[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 days ago

Daddy Pete shut the fuck up. The talk about fairness is a right-wing strategy for slow-walking progress using its centrist division (the Lisa Murkowskis and Lex Friedmans).

There's an army of boomer men who've been disconnected from the cult by a family member coming out as gay, trans, etc. Big Conservative still has a grip on these people using their generalized fear of the unknowns that inevitably come with progress and it's maddening that Pete is getting this one so wrong.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 days ago

Yeah, so where are all the trans gold medalists before the ban was put in place?

[–] Bubbey@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're gonna run him for Pres if he's already centrist-ing out

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

The boomers aren't dead yet. Someone has to chase their votes. I'm not in favor of this strategy at all but I also know that lots of boomers are conservatives and that all conservative jobs are dirty jobs (starring Mike Rowe, a conservative). We either figure out how to steal their amygdalas back from Fox or they'll keep blindly voting us toward civil war.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Glad Pete is telling us he's willing to throw trans kids under the bus before he makes a run for president in 2028. Fuck him. Liberals aren't your friends.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That is not throwing anybody under the bus. The issue is so overblown, for political noise issues, mainly to influence voters, I guess.

It is an issue, like bathroom use, and I think they are not easy, but they are blips in the challenges trans people face, like Healthcare, etc.

Usual distractions.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It is an issue, like bathroom use, and I think they are not easy

How is the bathroom thing not easy?

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You're correct that it's actually a non-issue: trans people are a ridiculously small minority, most Americans who don't live in a city have probably never met a trans person, yet the entire nation has been whipped into frenzied "debate" about fairness in sports, bathroom needs, and other very unserious issues.

The answers are also very obvious. No trans person has ever dominated a sport, otherwise you'd have heard about this. The actual problem with hormones in sports is rampant steroid abuse, trans issues distract from that. Likewise, just have unisex private bathrooms. Treating humans like indistinguishable cattle is already a problem.

None of this, however, relates to the issue of Mayor Pete. Politicians don't really "raise issues" from their constituents, not primarily anyway. They raise issues from their donors, and they shape public discourse with what they draw attention to. Buttigieg could support trans people with a word and move on to real issues. He could ignore trans people and call out Republicans for distracting people. He could do so many things, but he chooses to focus on this. It can't be ignored that he's a gay man also. The intent here is to further wedge between LGB and T.

The ruler class has been working overtime on this for years, because breaking the solidarity of LGBTQ+ people destroys an important progressive bloc held together by shared oppression. If you convince male gays that lesbians and trans people are making too much noise and drawing bad attention, you can split them up and push the whole lot of us back into the closets.

These issues aren't isolated concerns that operate as pure distractions. They're various fronts in the class war; you can't ignore a flanking maneuver as a "distraction" while the cavalry runs rampant over you.

Divide and conquer Pete

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well... One percent means most people HAVE met trans people, whether or not they know it.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago

Oh God, another one

So, as opposed to what? Trump?

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

God damn it Pete, dementia Trump in office raises serious issues in the world and you have no other topic to talk about than sport?

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

and you have no other topic to talk about than sport?

I always see someone with this exact same take every time any politician says anything and it's so dumb, lol

The guy was asked a question about a political topic and he answered it. That doesn't mean that particular issue is all he thinks about, or that he thinks about it to the exclusion of other topics. If I asked you your stance on trans athletes I'm sure you'd have an opinion too, but I would never assume that's the only issue you ever talk about.

Look, I think Pete is the same kind of neoliberal Uncle Tom as the rest of the Democratic establishment, but this was just one question he answered in an interview with many questions, and he's been pretty vocal about Trump and other pressing political issues for like 3 straight election cycles.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago

What questions you choose to entertain as legitimate is a statement in itself.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago

I imagine he was asked a question, and didn't just randomly bring it up....

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Dems are thinking “if we throw trans under the bus, surely they’ll like us this time.”

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago

They are, and it's so fucking disheartening to see.

I've seen so many liberals say shit like, "just because the left went too far with wokeness, doesn't mean we need to go too far the other way"... Too far? Fuck off.

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The rest of the quote in the article: When Inskeep pressed Buttigieg on whether he believes a parent who has complained about a trans athlete competing in girls’ school sports “has a case,” he agreed. “Sure,” he said. “And that’s why I think these decisions should be in the hands of sports leagues and school boards and not politicians… in Washington, trying to use this as a political pawn.”

Not a great answer. I wonder how he would have answered if the question was rephrased from a trans kids point of view, i.e. if a trans kid was barred from playing high school sports and the parent complains, do they "have a case"?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Another standard issue centrist caring more about games than human rights.

[–] ChetManly@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Hey, Pete! Get fucked!

[–] crankyrebel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago

Pete another neo-liberal nightmare, who serves up a word salad of Whataboutisms so he never has to answer the questions. His past as a two term mayor speaks for itself, heed the warnings.

“If he’s the next president, I fear for our country. He couldn’t run our city. How can he run the United States?” said Michelle Burger, 42, a stay-at-home mom who lives in South Bend’s impoverished and predominantly black West Side. “Look at all the crime — he didn’t do anything about it. Look at our quality of life. If he becomes president, the United States will become one big South Bend — a giant sinkhole. We’ll be in a new depression.”

Why South Bend residents are warning America about Pete Buttigieg

[–] sanity_is_maddening@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Just have all athletes measured in an index of height, weight, muscle mass and bone density, and redistribute them in even categories disregarding sex entirely as a categorization. For the first time we would have fair sports. Sports were never really fair, and anyone who understands just the simple notions of physics has always pointed this out. They just don't like it when nerds prove jocks don't understand the very games they play. And that's all sports trully are in the end. Games.

The part that boggles me is how this takes so much space in the broad conversation when competitive sports are truly an inconsequential part of existence. None of that affects life outside of it. None whatsoever. And I'm sure even athletes want this situation actually solved, instead of just dumbing it even more.

And by the way I'm speaking of sports, not exercise. For some reason, people conflate the two.

Exercise is essential.

Sports are not. They can be fun. But people surely know how to ruin the fun out of it.

I'm looking forward to moving on to the next important issue. Which to them is probably going to be if there should be male vs female acting categories in award shows. No, there's no reason for it. But caring about award shows is even dumber than that dumb distinction in them. The Arts would be better off without them. Competitions in Arts is as silly as it sounds.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The part that boggles me is how this takes so much space in the broad conversation when competitive sports are truly an inconsequential part of existence.

It takes so much space because the amount of energy required to ask the question "should trans women compete in women's sports" requires exponentially less energy than the amount of energy required to defend a particular answer to that same question.

Conservatives know this, so they've made a point of incessantly asking it and others questions like it because that steals focus from more important issues, riles up their own base, and causes liberals to fight with each other.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

liberals to fight with each other.

Liberals don't fight each other. They fight the left. Liberals are in perfect lockstep: they want republican votes so badly that they will throw any minority under the bus and back up over them as many times as they think it will take.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

The use of energy in disinformation rhetoric is fundamentally misunderstood by most people. If more people understood this type of asymmetric rhetoric, then we could actually move the important conversations forward.

10% of fascism is just more efficient talking points.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago

“Peter Principle” Buttigieg