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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Its fucken maddening watching this elite pedo circus play out.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Even royalty wasn't able to escape it, how are these other morons able to?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Because royals are less powerful than rich psychopaths in our society

They're also less rich.

Rich, but not billionaire rich.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Its either not as big as it was made out to be, or its so damning releasing it would destroy our government as well as several others.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 9 points 4 days ago

or its so damning releasing it would destroy our government as well as several others.

Do eeeeet

Folks aren't going to like hearing this, but there's nothing untoward or unreasonable about her demanding immunity before testifying. Any lawyer would advise any person in a similar situation to either demand immunity or to avail themselves of their right against self-incrimination. This is literally the foundation of due process and if you don't care about that for "monsters," then you don't really care about it for anyone because it's real easy for the state/media to make anyone a monster. Immunity isn't even necessarily a good thing for the person being questioned (prosecutors can non-consensually "immunize" an unwilling witness to force their testimony, opening the witness up to theoretically unlimited contempt penalties for failure to testify).

What is untoward is the DOJ "interviewing" her behind closed doors, particularly when their guy has pardon power and they've refused to release the docs they have.

Maxwell is, to put it offensively mildly, a bad guy in this story, but she's not the bad guy. For every person she trafficked, there is a rich predator who continues to pay no price whatsoever. I have no hopes that she'll decide to "do the right thing" out of any sense of morality. I do, however, have a modicum of hope that she'll be so bitter about being the only person punished that she goes scorched earth in her testimony.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What is untoward is the DOJ "interviewing" her behind closed doors, particularly when their guy has pardon power and they've refused to release the docs they have.

I think this hits why the request is upsetting.

You’re totally right that bargaining for immunity is normal. In fact that’s normally how you flip lower guys to tattle on the bigger leaders in white collar crimes.

However I argue there’s a few things that make this icky.

  1. She’s not a small fish in this pond. She was one of the partners.
  2. All of the behind the scenes with trumps personal lawyer.
  3. Shes been convicted of perjury before covering up for Epstein and refused to say anything during her trial. Why would anyone want to give her immunity and trust her to speak truthfully?

I guess what I'm saying is that the immunity thing is not the thing to be upset about here. Agree 100% that no reasonable person would expect her to speak truthfully, but that would be the case with or without immunity.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They’re talking about Ghislaine Maxwell in the headline. Not some government official with the same last name. (It’s getting difficult to keep up with all of this ridiculous corruption.)

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago

Yeah, considering how common that name is through history, I prefer it including the first name. After all, my job involves a lot of Maxwell's theoretical work from the 19th century. Probably not the same person as is described in this article, tho.

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Im surprised that she hasn't "fallen" down any stairs, or out a window yet...

[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

That'll happen AFTER she's released a bogus list of names

[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

Maybe they should confer with the victims instead of the perpetrators?

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hmm ok so is it weird that she's suddenly requesting appeals and immunity right now?

The fuck is going on with this story. It's like it's one giant Mafia and we aren't in it

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

It's ~~like it's~~ one giant Mafia and we aren't in it

[–] griff@lemmings.world 1 points 4 days ago

AKA Bang Bang Maxwell