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[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

So if your only pistol was the m18 and you were a civilian, what would you replace it with?

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

If you like striker guns, there are plenty on the market. Glock is certainly the old reliable choice, although there are plenty of like M&P's offerings.

If you're open to other mechanisms, that really opens things up. It depends on if it's meant to be a carried gun or some other criteria which would help narrow it down. For a carry gun I lean towards something smaller even if it sacrifices the best comfort when shooting. I'd rather something easier to actually carry. For that I like the LCPMAX. It's double action only, which gives it the same simplicity and consistency as a striker. Even though it's DAO, the trigger pull is actually pretty similar to a Glock's weight. It is in .380 though, so if you want to keep all your current 9mm you can go for the slightly larger LC9.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The problem is you can't just quietly phase out the service pistol of the entire US Armed Forces the way he says at the end, as if it's the Remington R51. They've delivered hundreds of thousands of pistols to the military at this point.

I just don't see this going well for SIG no matter what, especially considering the cocky, rabid, litigious way they've responded to this problem.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

You can't do a recall or phase out quietly. However we are long past the quiet fix stage.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago

The Forgotten Weapons article has a "Part 3" YouTube video, but unfortunately does not link to the first two parts that I see. Nor does the YouTube video description appear to do so.

I believe that these are all three:

  1. What's the Deal with the Sig P320 Exploding and Firing "Un-Commanded"? (April 2023) (Uploaded Apr 20, 2023)

  2. A Thoughtful & Nuanced Take on SIG's P320 Nightmare (Uploaded May 13, 2025)

  3. SIG's Real P320 Problem Is No Longer Uncommanded Discharges (Uploaded Jul 27, 2025, the current video)

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What was the Ruger comment reference about?

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Bill Ruger made comments supporting magazine capacity bans.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Wait someone died to a 320 recently? How the fuck is anyone still putting live rounds in these things?

[–] Glifted@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

There are a lot of people still irrationally defending this gun. Its like if Trump were a firearm

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's the standard issue sidearm of the U.S. military. It was an Airman with an issued pistol that died.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I know, my question is why nobody knew they're self firing machines and should be carried with an empty chamber at the very very least. Leadership should've known, the armororer damn well should've known, something.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The official military stance has been that there is nothing wrong with the pistols.

Individual service members at the lowest levels that actually carry the pistols aren't always plugged into online discussions or if they are they are getting official word to ignore it as noise. Given the huge volume of stupid things on the Internet, that attitude on its face isn't unreasonable as a general course of action. Unfortunately the military has also been officially ignoring more credible concerns. As late as July 17th, an FBI report raised concerns about the pistol design but both the Army and Marines put out official statement nitpicking and then dismissing it.

Service members and individual commands were still being told the pistols were safe.

Service pistols are by pretty much any SOP carried chambered. Any deviation from that SOP would officially acknowledge that something is wrong with the pistols.

On the 20th, the Airman died from the holstered pistol. Since then part of the Air Force has officially suspended carrying the pistol, and it seems the floodgates have finally opened on the problem and it's now no longer just "internet noise". I have heard anecdotally of individual commands now pulling the pistols or having them carried unchambered.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

should be carried with an empty chamber at the very very least.

Including MPs? It's standard practice for police to carry sidearms with a chambered round. I would guess telling MPs they have to carry unchambered sidearms would be contentious.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

No less contentious then telling them not to bump their holster if they like their legs hole-free.

[–] SEND_BUTTPLUG_PICS@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah this is exactly what I said the last time this happened. There's so much speculation about the cause but at this point it doesn't even matter!