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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

What’s there to innovate, really? That ship has sailed back in the ‘90’s.

Nokia, Motorola, Sony-Ericksson and a bunch of other companies put out a ton of really neat phones. Tech moved so fast, every six months you’d see new leaps: introducing a color screen, Bluetooth, new ringtone formats, WAP, installable apps, etc.

These days we’ve pretty much settled on boring rectangular slabs. Innovation means yet another camera, a .01 mm thinner phone, a faster screen… none of it really exciting.

We all need phones. And yes, iPhones just work. There’s nothing wrong with buying a thing that just works. I don’t need my toaster to ‘innovate’ either - just to make toast predictably, you know?

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (4 children)

When android isn’t spyware, I’ll consider switching.

[–] Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

While this is a fair criticism of Android you don't exactly have access to check and see if Apple is doing the same thing like you do with Android. You're really just taking Apple at their word and they wont even let you cloud save to anything but their servers and can dig through your photos to find illegal content.

[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Let me tell you about our lord and saviour GrapheneOS

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

It only works on pixel devices though right.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic. If so, hilarious! But, it’s the expected response from an android Lemmy user to reference graphene os.

I actually bought a pixel and installed graphene on it just to give it a try. It’s not bad, and I can do probably 90% of the things I need on there. There are even some nice apps and features you can’t get on iOS (storage scopes is cool). But, at the end of the day, switching is hard. My biggest gripe is backups suck and fail 100% of the time, also no support for touchless payments. Also, android doesn’t manage battery life that well. Some days it’s fine, but other days it randomly drains to almost zero. At the end of the day, I don’t think the solution is to hack together an OS to work on a company’s hardware that doesn’t really support the mission. I wish the Graphene team would partner with Fairphone or something. Anyway, I’ll probably keep using the Pixel here and there, but I don’t know if I could daily drive it. I did try.

[–] chrizzly@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago

Since you mentioned Fairphone, another option as custom ROM would be e/OS which is not only supported but also comes pre-installed on fairphones (if you choose so). Sure, there are differences to Graphene, but I installed e/OS on my fp6 a few weeks ago and Im super happy with it - no more Google! And battery performance is pretty decent, too.

Tbf, never been an Apple guy, so I cant say how the switch would be for you, but coming from Xiaomi-Android it felt really refreshing :D

[–] MajesticTechie@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

For contactless payments, try Curve: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.imaginecurve.curve.prd

I am curious how Android Auto works with Graphene. I missed Android Auto when I was using LineageOS

Battery is also an issue even on Stock Android. The 5G chips on the recent Pixels drain it like a MF.

It really is annoying, I really want a cheap phone that doesn't spy on me. I'm either stuck between an expensive and closed EcoSystem, Android which I can't trust to fart near or Custom Roms which does lack features

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

Apple absolutely does spy on their customers. They've just taken this clever approach where they say they don't, and for some bizarre reason everyone just accepts it.

They probably don't spy as much as Google does, but let's face it they're definitely collecting info.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fanboi: “Apple does everything Android does! They just lie about it!”

Apple is no saint, but they have a different business model with different pressures. There’s little incentive for them to commit the same sins Android does.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

What do you think iCloud is for? Do you they are just be nice offering a cloud storage solution, or do you think maybe they get something out of it?

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

iCloud is just a set of services Apple offers for their customers. Complete with vendor lock in. There’s no indication they are selling that data though if that’s what you are asking.

[–] Septimaeus 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So tired of the audience participation in these endless phone wars. Oh you have a smart phone? Dope! They’re cool and useful. Anyway

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I like Apple’s os, App Store and processors better than android’s. I like Android’s everything else better than apple’s.

Ultimately you are getting fucked anyway but you get to pick the guy who fucks you.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Well everyone says, and has said for years, that the best phone would run iOS but with the hardware innovations of Android phones.

Hell we're on the 7th generation of foldables and Apple still hasn't got one. I get they're not for everyone, and that's fine, but they should have the option.

If Apple offered an iPad that I could fold up and put in my pocket I might actually consider switching over. I'm not particularly bothered by iOS on a phone but iPad OS on a foldable phone I'm pretty sure that would sound like hotcakes even if it was 3K.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rumor has it Apple wasn’t happy with the crease in folding phones and didn’t want to launch a foldable until they could solve the crease problem. Supposedly, they are gearing up to launch theirs next year and Samsung will be adopting apples solution for the crease problem then too.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 12 hours ago

Apple are launching a folding phone next year in the same way that Fusion is a decade away.

They've been saying that since the launch of folding phones and the crease thing is just an excuse. No one who actually has ever experienced a folding phone cares about the crease. But if it was actually a solvable problem, I'm pretty sure engineers at Samsung are smart enough to be able to work it out, I don't think we have to leave it up to the Apple geniuses.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

If people were simply pointing out the pros and cons of the various devices, it would be very helpful and useful. I don’t care if you hate Apple, I just want information about the hardware and software and if it’s a good value proposition.

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 18 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Honestly, the only thing I care about when it comes to what other people do regarding phone purchases, is that that they at the very fucking least use their old phone until it breaks and don't just go out and buy a new phone every two years because they want something new and shiny. People who do that low key disgust me.

[–] knemesis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My upgrade schedule is about 7–8 years. iPhones do “just work” for that long.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

It might simply be my my use patterns but in my experience they tend to require a battery replacement in that time. Apple charged so much for the replacements it's often not really worth it unless you get some guy in a strip mall to do it

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

i am withing this from my 2018 Huawei : Hello !

[–] Michal@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

I tried using and old iPhone. You can't install anything on it. If you go to the app store, it won't tell you which apps are compatible. It'll just download the app, and then show you error.

Android is better at this, apps generally support old versions for longer, and the play store is better at showing compatible apps.

[–] thaklor@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that effectively end the used phone market, forcing everyone to pay for new?

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If phones were built to last and something you would only buy once every 10ish years, I think we would all be better for it. I also think buying a phone from new would mean something different than it does in today's consumer culture. It would be way cheaper longterm for everybody as well.

The used phone market only exists because of the current buy and throw away culture we live in.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Personally I wish there was a way to just build a phone like with PCs. With the exception of needing to upgrade my SSDs my computer is basically good for another 10 years or so, I wish I could do the same for a smart phone.

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[–] rowdy@lemmy.zip 70 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra 256GB - $1299

Apple 16 Pro Max 256GB - $1199

Google Pixel 9 Pro 256GB - $1199

The only person being represented by this meme is OP.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

My current galaxy cost like $200

People paying a grand for a cell phone are suckers for real

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Their 1TB version is $1600 because they get away with charging $400 for $40 worth of storage.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is it really 40$ in that form factor?

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I just extrapolate from NVMe SSDs which are currently ~$55 for 1TB, so ~$40 for 750GB = 1TB - 250GB. It's really hard to find info about the true cost of internal storage on mobile devices.

[–] accideath@feddit.org 26 points 4 days ago (43 children)

Apple devices mostly aren‘t significantly more expensive than their counterparts by other manufacturers.

However, most of those offer cheaper alternatives that Apple doesn’t. While the most expensive Samsung S25 is more expensive than the equivalent iPhone, Samsung also sells models under 100€. That does skew the perception towards Samsung being more affordable.

Which it is, of course, if you don’t care about the extra amenities of more expensive phones.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Apple's discounting strategy is generally to sell last year's model, sometimes the model before that, with roughly $200 discounts for each year since its release. They sometimes release a lower spec model (the 16e is the current example, prior SE models or even the mini models from previous generations were part of this strategy as well) and that sometimes means the 2-year-old model isn't kept available as long.

That's where their 5-7 year support window really shines, in that they can just sell older models as discounted models, knowing that the new owner will still get 3-5 years of support.

The other thing is that the used market for iPhones is pretty robust. I can go buy used phones that are 3 or 4 years old and still get a good 1-4 years of additional support. At least in the U.S., if you told me my budget for a phone was gonna be $300 for the next 2 years, I think I'd probably buy a used iPhone.

As it currently stands, I'm still on Pixels on a 2 year cycle, but I also know that my "sell used to offset the price of my new phone" strategy also would be much cheaper if I did it with iPhones instead of Pixels.

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[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The Iphone is a luxury commodity and like all luxury commodities it marketed for people with little sense and lots of money who are easily separated from the ladder with shiny trinkets. Before the Iphone there was the Rolex and the super-secret clothing designer brands only 1%er yuppies think they know about. Before that people ground up egyptian mummies for medicine/taste and bought expensive jar of nutmeg spice from halfway across the world imported via boat. These kind of people were always going to spend 2000$ on trinkets whether its a 2000$ pocket computer or a 800$ wrist watch is a difference in taste. The real question is why humanity can't shed this consumerist prone archetype what is it about people constantly wanting new shiny things that they don't need and for which the money can go to a better place? Why do modern consumerist not have the ability to tell corporations to fuck off? Why is it that after a quarter century of time to get used to the concept of a computer and an email people tantrum and shriek when their tappy button gets moved 2 inches to the left without knowing how to fix it? Why do we consider this an acceptable baseline for human intelligence and emotional volatility?

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And the $2k Galaxy Folds are for discerning consumers?

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It might just be the old, but I’m having trouble thinking of the last time there was any meaningful advance in mobile phones at all. Face ID comes to mind.

Not a day goes by where I don’t feel angry that there are no viable, mainstream FLOSS Linux phones. No Android, nothing downstream of Google at all… just Linux and a nice, touch-friendly UI. Until then, I pinch my nose and pick Apple as the lesser of the available evils.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Dude I’m still bitter about Apple killing 3D Touch. It’s like companies research what I like and when they find it that’s the tipping point for killing a feature/flavor/model/etc.

Canonical had a really interesting idea for a Linux phone back in the day but it never launched. There are some Linux phones trying to make that happen but it’s just not likely to see the widespread adoption needed to fund development.

We can’t have nice things.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

leaves out the part where their old iphone "just stopped working" after a required update.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Mine is 5 years old. Doing just fine.

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[–] Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I use iPhones for myself and the family because they just work. I don’t shell out for the latest models, this as-new iPhone 12 I’m on now works just fine. I use Linux for everything else but my requirements for a phone are totally different to what I need from a PC. I don’t need freedom or the ability to tinker or hack it. I need my phone to operate as a reliable appliance and a mobile wallet, so I appreciate features like Apple wallet and Face ID. Other people’s requirements might differ but I think it is just a case of horses for courses. But don’t get me started on all the advanced features of the iPhone that are hidden so well behind the pretty ui most people will never ever realise they exist..

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