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Bonus title: Fascism is Imperialism turned inwards

cross-posted from @jackeroni@lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/post/33684635

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[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's also colonialism turned inwards.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I added that in the body :) unless you explicitly differentiated from imperialism and colonialism, if so

How I understand it, imperialism is a general term describing a nation ruling over another, controlling the politics, the economy, the military, the media, etc; through either soft power, or hard power.

Colonialism is occupying the land, and with the same outcome as above. Imperialism is a general concept, colonialism is one of the means of imperialism, since you don't always need explicit colonialism to be imperialist. I hope I got that right lol

[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Oh, sorry, we missed that, heh.

It's just a quote we heard the other day, we think. Maybe it was imperialism though. Either way, great addition 🙂

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've also heard "fascism is colonialism coming home to roost," which honestly tracks.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago

No worries 😁 and thanks!

[–] protist@mander.xyz 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fascism describes a political system that can occur in the context of multiple economic systems. It's not unique to capitalism.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

All systems can decay into tyranny, but what we call fascism is only really possible under capitalism. The closest non-capitalist example was the Soviet Union, which was definitely fucked up but wasn't really fascist in the traditional sense. Lots of Russian chauvinism? Definitely. Genocide? Absolutely. But no wider ethnic purity project along the lines of Nazi Germany. The distinguishing feature of fascism is its break-neck march towards collapse as more and more people are regarded as untermensch and fewer and fewer people are permitted to be ubermensch. Fascism is essentially murder-suicide as a political ideology (more accurately family of political ideology), and it's rare if not impossible for a non-capitalist system to produce that.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago

in academic spheres bolshevism and neoliberalism are viewed as being expressions of fascism, sometimes called "ur-fascism" to distinguish eternal fascism from what you're specifying as fascism (sometimes also called "hyperfascism")

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Gonna have to disagree. Capitalism is the root. It fosters the worst in people and rewards bad behavior.

Also, this is AI generated isn't it...

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I agree, fascism is capitalism in crisis. Capitalism is always cruel as imperialism in the global south, but I'd say fascism is the most mask off form. Ultimately, capitalism is the root of the issue. The meme wasn't contradicting that

And no, it's not AI :)

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

Fascism is when imperialism comes home.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd broaden that to say that any society or economic system collapses into authoritarianism when times get rough. We evolved to demand strong leaders, especially in times of crisis.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No, thata bullshit.

We evolved to collaborate.

We were trained to beg daddy.

Edit: We do not live in a state of nature, stop assuming how we behave in all this is fundamental human behavior.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca -5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Then how come China and Russia adopted fascism too? Apparently all socio-political ideologies decay into fascism.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 13 points 4 days ago

Both of those are capitalist, and of them only Russia is fascist. Genocide is a pretty good tell, but it's not in and of its own enough to declare a polity as fascist. That doesn't make the Uighur genocide and crew any less reprehensible, but not everything horrible is automatically fascist.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

To call China fascist is definitely an... adventurous take. There are lots of criticism you can make of their government but fascism? It's not just a word for when the government does oppressive stuff. Their military spend is small, they don't have ambitions of military expansion and government control only really of Taiwan. While Han culture is promoted China is very clearly a multiethnic state and there are active efforts to preserve some diverse cultural heritage, they definitely don't promote violent political struggle and stratification of the strong over the weak - really I would levy criticism towards the intense pursuit of order.

They are culturally very conservative, a massive surveillance state, censorious on some things, and harsh towards certain kinds of political dissidents but this doesn't make a government fascist.

Words do mean things.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF FASCISM

  1. Powerful and continuing nationalism

  2. Disdain for human rights

  3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause

  4. Rampant sexism

  5. Controlled mass media

  6. Obsession with national security

  7. Religion and government intertwined

  8. Corporate power protected

  9. Labor power suppressed

  10. Disdain for intellectual and the arts

  11. Obsession with crime and punishment

  12. Rampant cronyism and corruption

I'd say that China scores very highly across most of these. I'd almost give them a pass on Intellectual and the Arts, but even then only approved intellectualism and the Arts are allowed.

E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

If you want me to say that highly centralised surveillance states can easily fall to fascism then sure.

I think nation states are a terrible thing, china just isn't a fascist one.