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Researchers quietly planned a test to dim sunlight. They wanted to ‘avoid scaring’ the public. (www.politico.com)
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Hundreds of documents show how researchers failed to notify officials in California about a test of technology to block the sun’s rays — while they planned a much huger sequel. 

Archived version: https://archive.is/20250728172625/https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/27/california-sunlight-dimming-experiment-collapse-00476983

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 30 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Honestly, we need to get over ourselves when it comes to sunlight modification. The fact that people are hand wringing about small trial projects that are just meant to investigate the concept is peak luddite thinking.

Do we need to be careful with the secondary effects? Yes. That's why we start with pilot projects, see how they go, and work our way up. Is a termination shock a possibility? Yes, but who cares? The alternative is we just stew in the high temps all day every day.

I get the opposition to the technology, but ultimately it comes from a place of hubris and pride. People just don't want to admit we've fucked things up so badly that now we need to resort to something as desperate as solar modification.

Well I'm sorry, but we're out of time. We're sitting here whining about possible side effects of this, when the consequences of not doing it are potentially biosphere-collapsing. Yes, I wish we had gone all in on renewables starting in 1980, but we don't live on that timeline. It takes a long time to change the course of a ship the size of an industrial civilization, and there has been immense political headwinds. Hang all the oil execs if you want, that won't change the fact that at this point, we have no reasonable path to avoiding the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and the collapse of entire biomes if we don't do solar modification. We're sitting here congratulating ourselves on not playing God as we watch as the Amazon rain forest burns down as a consequence of our own actions.

We need this technology. Yes, it sucks that we have to resort to it. But we are out of time. Right now, we are realistically looking at losing between 2-10% of the total human population by 2050 due to climate induced heat stroke and famine. Right now, the permafrost at the polls and the Greenland ice sheet are rapidly collapsing. Positive feedback loops are kicking in that mean that even if we cut off all emissions tomorrow, the temperature will still continue to snowball. This is a runaway train at this point. And the only hope we have of slowing it down is solar modification.

But people would rather keep their hands clean, refuse to "play God," and do nothing as the world burns.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's literally our only option to buy us time to sequester carbon. I don't agree with aerosol or particle based shields that aren't easily removed, but a metal or solid shield in space locked between the sun and earth to deflect a % of the rays is totally doable and needed. I personally think a partially living shield made of 3D printed vulture head skin would work well but it is quite gruesome, so a bunch of metal is probably more likely than that.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would think the aerosol or particle based shields would be even easier to remove than something up in orbit. The stuff in orbit will need to be pretty high up if you don't want it to immediately decay and reenter, so anything in orbit will remain that way for some time. Plus there's Kessler to worry about. But sulfurs and other aerosols wash out of the atmosphere pretty quickly. That's the whole reason people talk about termination shocks, and fret that we'll have to keep the aerosol effort continuously going. To me this seems like a virtue. If at any time we decide we don't like the effects, we can simply stop. There's no long term commitment.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What I'm proposing is something like the start of the technology of a dyson sphere tbh, it would be further out into space and ideally only maintained by machine, no humans. If it has issues, the panels can be turned perpendicular to the direction of energy coming from the sun to let in more sun, or fuck, we could just set bombs on it and later remote detonate it if it's truly a concern.

I think the impact of spreading a bunch of sulfur or other particulates in the air is just a bad idea in terms of health for everyone (a major component of smog/pollution is sulfur, and we know sulfur works bc during covid, less ships running meant less sulfur and heating accelerated) and having a large blanket or shield in space would be less risky in that aspect but yes, more technically challenging. However, Beijing, MIT, Stanford, Japan, and Germany etc should be able to figure it out easily - they pretty much already made a cure for HIV and rabies together and permanently altered warfare w invention of drones and AI.

[–] shani66@ani.social 2 points 5 days ago

Luddites really need to fuck off in general. They are just worthless cowards that don't want to see humanity succeed.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh no, clouds over the ocean. How dreadful.

Not even dimming sunlight, just reflecting more of it, with more clouds. You'd think we were talking about a black haze across the sky.

But critics of the technologies warn that they could also disrupt weather patterns — potentially affecting farm yields, wildlife and people.

And if we do nothing, all of those things are safe forever. Yeah?

Even if they succeed in cooling the climate, temperatures could spike upward if the processes are abruptly shut down before countries have transitioned away from burning planet-warming fossil fuels, an outcome described by experts as “termination shock.”

Oh for fuck's sake. 'What if it works, but they suddenly stop?! That'll be worse somehow! What could we possibly do then, aside from resume doing the thing that worked?!'

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

I was hoping for Matrix levels of scorching the skies

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago

Much huger

[–] vane@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Mandatory Animatrix covering sky scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTLMjHrb_w4

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So does this mean that sunlight will now be something we pay for?

Pay your sun bill or its February forever

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No, this is ridiculous.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

As ridiculous as selling water rights to Nestlé, then paying them for the rain?

Robber barons don't give a fuck how ridiculous you consider anything.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 5 days ago

Like half the world: Really? Gimme!

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Is this why it was pretty cold in the middle of July a few days ago? 🤔 ^/s^

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

rick and morty dyeing the sun instuitionally grey to cause depression,.

[–] Odo@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Wasn't there an entire season of Smallville about this?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Fuck, no! We do not understand anything about anything, well enough to start fucking with shit on this scale.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Isn't that the point of tests? Do something at a more limited scale to see what the results of that are?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

1st of all...the Sun isn't the problem. It isn't getting brighter or hotter. The problem is us. So, "fixing" something that isn't broken, isn't going to actually "fix" anything. It will just introduce additional variables to an already ridiculously complex equation.

Not to mention, it may even give the fossil fuel industry and its supporters a justification to continue doing more damage, under the false pretense that the problem has been "solved". So, where does it stop? When we've blocked out the Sun entirely, but are still choking to death on our own industrial exhaust?

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not necessarily disagreeing with your premise but the sun is slightly warmer right now.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

The Sun has its own natural cycle of activity. But that has nothing to do with why the planet is warming.

[–] shani66@ani.social 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You're right, we should just let the world end instead

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

Lol! This isn't going to save it. The problem will just keep getting worse, no matter how dim we make the sun...because the sun isn't the problem.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 5 days ago

Fuck it we ball. Nerds, start turning those knobs and dials until the problem is fixed or we die.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And therefore we should not do anything that could help us learn about this?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What could we possibly learn from this, other than brand new ways to fuck up our environment?

If we are serious about "solving" the climate change problem, we should try fixing the things that are actually causing it...not altering the variables that aren't.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What could we possibly learn from this, other than brand new ways to fuck up our environment?

We could learn brand new ways to fix up our environment.

we should try fixing the things that are actually causing it

You may have noticed, we're trying that already and it's not working particularly well. Your proposal, then, is to not try anything new but instead just keep on trying the thing we know isn't working?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

No offense, but we aren't "trying that already". We have spent decades trying everything except that...and this is just the latest and most desperate attempt at not doing anything to actually address the root causes of climate change.

We would rather block out the Sun, than stop burning fossil fuels. It would not surprise me, at all, if it turned out that the fossil fuel industry was behind this whole idea. It sure would be convenient to kick the can down the road a little longer, so we can keep killing ourselves for profits that you and I will never share in.