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Due to an oversight, Trump's attorneys failed to ask for a jury trial within the time allotted to them

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[–] Mammal@lemmy.world 117 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The guy with a reputation for not paying his attorneys is having trouble attracting good legal council?

Shocked. I'm shocked.

[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

His lawyers probably didn’t expect to juggle a dozen trials at the same time. That, and, no one even halfway competent would ever work for Trump. Most of his previous attorneys are codefendants in his criminal trials at this point.

[–] JustAManOnAToilet@lemmy.world 68 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I can hear the ineffective assistance of counsel appeal being typed up now.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 2 years ago

"OK so what's our strategy here?"

"Well, I'm going to be so incompetent that when you're inevitably found guilty you can appeal on the basis that I'm incompetent"

"Genius. I love it."

[–] DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago

Doubtless they will turn it a day late, and a dollar short. SMH

[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

I'll write the order denying it - no prejudice given the mountains of evidence so he can '"get fukt".

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

Oh no. 🍿

[–] captsneeze@lemmy.one 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’m just some idiot on the internet who doesn’t know what I’m talking about, but…

Is it possible this isn’t a mistake? If you’re going to try to win a trial through corruption and wrongdoings, it seems easier to illicitly win over (and have it stay quiet) one person than half of a jury, no?

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This judge already appears to have an axe to grind with Trump, so, uh, it probably would have been easier with a jury.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

That's their play, they don't want a jury because they're trying to pay the groundwork for a mistrial via judicial bias but that is a high jump and they're stumbling on molehills.

[–] DigitalFrank@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Not a mistake. They plan to win on appeal.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You only need one juror though, no?

[–] captsneeze@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m honestly not sure. Does a jury vote need to be unanimous for a guilty verdict?

[–] Googlyman64@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The jury has to be unanimous no matter the decision. If they can't agree, they either deliberate as long as it takes, or if the jury is hung, then they'll reduce the charges.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] Sylver@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes, because they fully believe that 40% of the nation would exonerate him. So they want jury trials to be stacked with loyalists. There is also the possibility that they want to know who will make the decision so they can be coerced.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Slash have his cult threaten their lives. He's already gotten away with it a couple times without anything happening so why not again?

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Dude just literally put a mafia style "make him an offer he can't refuse" hit on a 4 star general in our armed forces. With no consequences.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It depends on where the jury pool comes from. I doubt that 4 people in Manhattan or Brooklyn would want to exonerate him, much less 40%. But if they can pull from Staten Island as well, his chances of finding at least one goober who would be willing to ignore the facts and exonerate him get larger.

[–] Cheesus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Long trials tend to have a large jury pool to select from. I was recently in the pool for a 7 week trial in Oakland and there were 150 of us to choose from. The defense just needs to find 4 Republicans to get into the jury and the case is over. You would assume a staunch Republican would try hard to get on the jury to help protect trump.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I think you underestimate how much New Yorkers (Particularly NYC) loathe Trump. Brooklyn and Queens saw something insane like 75% of the vote go to Biden, in Manhattan and then Bronx it was closer to 85%. And we can't assume the remaining 15% are full MAGA, either, they may have just not liked Biden but were ambivalent to Trump.

Staten Island is where NYC keeps its Conservatives, it went for Trump 52 to 42.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York

[–] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 9 points 2 years ago

Given the stack of damning evidence against him, probably. Jury's adds an unknown quantity. So if you think you can win without on, you should not request one.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think this is one of the trials with a Judge that he did not appoint...so he probably did in this one.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

NY city, not federal. The judge was not appointed by trump at all (and trump has been incredibly hostile to said judge,)

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I posted this story in politics from another source a few days ago and it was removed because apparently the source wasn’t good enough and people couldn’t find it anywhere else. It was the only source reporting it at the time, but ok then.

edit: guess it was farther back than I remember, here’s that article from ~3 weeks ago

https://washingtonpress.com/2023/09/12/attorney-error-trump-eschews-jury-in-manhattan-case/

edit2: yep, 19 days ago

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Quit being so fast and accurate with your news! This isn’t Reuters!

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago

Sorry sorry I’ll build in a delay from now on.

Did he fire his attorneys? No? Then it was on purpose. He's building up to some political bullshit.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 6 points 2 years ago

It also really limits his appeals options.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Good. Let's hope that this is just the first of stupidities he stumbles over. Didn't he already piss off the judge that presides over this case?

[–] FReddit@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'd love to see the judge rule from the bench on this.

[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So the repeated (ad nauseum) Trump claim "I only hire the best people" isn't accurate?

I only hire the best people*

*that will actually agree to work for me, which is a small and shrinking list.

Lol this is fantastic. The trial is going to be an absolute blast :D