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The question was posed in a safe environment. Douthat, one of the Times’ most reliable conservatives, offered Thiel sufficient context to escape with an easy answer. Douthat prefaced his question by saying: “a number of people deeply involved in artificial intelligence see it as a mechanism for transhumanism—for transcendence of our mortal flesh—and either some kind of creation of a successor species or some kind of merger of mind and machine.” He was referencing the movement to radically enhance and evolve humans to achieve immortality. Transhumanist adherents advocate for a range of innovations, from genetic biohacking to uploading our consciousness to a computer to merge with A.I., freezing ourselves through cryonics, and robotically adapting our bodies through expansive bionics that reach the level of cyborgs.

Douthat clearly thought that Thiel would choose human over machine. But Thiel responded with a long hesitation. In a video of the exchange, Douthat—to his credit—is clearly taken aback.

Thiel has long been cagey and ambiguous about his beliefs—likely a strategic play for his career as an investor—but he has clearly been fascinated with transhumanism for a long time. This recent interview, though, seems more direct and dangerous. Thiel seems unwilling to answer the question: Does he eventually want to be a literal, honest-to-god brain in a jar wired to a Macbook Pro?

Yes... That's been the plan the whole fucking time. I thought we all knew this already?

There is just something about watching the slow, but inevitable collapse of the U.S. and eventually humanity as we know it, due to the very deliberate actions of one billionaire who was born in another country and who has been playing both sides against each other, while all other silicon valley billionaires have just accepted this as inevitable and are holding brainstorming sessions about what they can do following the collapse, rather than just stopping the guy who is orchestrating the whole thing.

Transhumanism is our inevitable fate, but this was all kicked off by a movement thar coerced Americans into believing they had to organize against secular humanism before things got anymore out of hand.

Thank God (can I still say God or do I have to say Thank Thiel?) we didn't let that happen.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

We need to start calling this sort of thinking what it actually is, techno nihilism. These people like Thiel and Musk aren't trying to build a better world for humanity, they are building escape pods for themselves to exit our world and they don't care how much of this world they trash to get there.

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This breed of trans humanists are simple garbage because they are not about trans humanism - they are about staying oligarchs forever.

Let them upload themselves into an iridium and unobtainum machine with nuclear fusion batteries and then we drop it into the Mariana Trench and let them watch the spectacle from inside.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Exactly. They're all about transhumanism until people want to take cross sex hormones or engage in body mods that aren't vanity projects.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Immortality is the end of human evolution. Imagine humans, as we currently are, never changing from our impulsive and selfish behavior. That's a fucking nightmare.

[–] Nico_198X@europe.pub 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There's a crushing Love, Death & Robots short about this, if I recall

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you refering to Pop Squad

[–] Nico_198X@europe.pub 1 points 3 days ago

Indeed I am!

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

They imagine themselves as the Titans from the Dune universe.

Is any of our current AI tech even making significant strides towards achieving this? I really don't think the current crop or billionaires will live to see this being viable even if they live another 100 years.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Thiel is a piece of shit...

But so is this author for writing an article about a pause proceeding and answer, and never saying the answer

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Yeah they're reading into it way too much.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The host asked Thiel ‘You would prefer the human race to endure, right?’

Thiel hesitated, doing some umm-ing and ahh-ing, even at one point saying ‘I don’t know’.

The billionaire went on to clarify and said: “Yes [I would like us to endure] but I also would like us to radically solve these problems.

https://www.unilad.com/news/us-news/peter-thiel-future-humanity-trans-humanism-sociopath-882051-20250709

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[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

You're right. The link below is not the only place I've seen the quote cited, just the first I found in a hurry.

The host asked Thiel ‘You would prefer the human race to endure, right?’

Thiel hesitated, doing some umm-ing and ahh-ing, even at one point saying ‘I don’t know’.

The billionaire went on to clarify and said: “Yes [I would like us to endure] but I also would like us to radically solve these problems.

https://www.unilad.com/news/us-news/peter-thiel-future-humanity-trans-humanism-sociopath-882051-20250709

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I was so into this shit when I was a teenager, reading Mondo 2000 and early WIRED, visiting the WELL, it seemed so cyberpunk and cool. After the events of the past 30 years it just seems like a fucking nightmare now.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's funny how death seems like the best case scenario these days, I used to find sci-fi like this cool back in the day as well

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 2 points 3 days ago

Sweet sweet death, yes. What kind of maniac wants to live forever, I've already had enough and I'm not even 50 yet.

It's always fascinating to me how depictions of cyberpunk-style implants have evolved since the 80's.

The 80's stuff certainly has corporate spyware and such, but modern reimaginings has it an ever-present and practically undefeatable threat.

How can you beat it, after all? They make the implants.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've never seen Putin look that happy IRL. He's glowing

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's got that white phosphorus glow

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He really does just look so much more relaxed and carefree. Like one picture says 1000 words and tells the story of the life that could have been had he followed his heart rather than becoming a murderous dictator.

Theil looks roughly the same, but with a fun captains hat.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The world would probably be a better more peaceful place if he could find a pair of heels that fit, and the right place to rock them at.

Even if he's not into that, there's still more lifestyle options he may have missed.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

Why murder when you could SLAY

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

Maybe he's so grumpy because he's not a he at all! Maybe both heads are stuck in the USSR (U Shall Stay Repressed)

[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Isn't this the plot of Pantheon?

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I came to this show very late cause it was so poorly marketed, it's amazing and very prescient and relevant to the society of today. It's an amazing show, that more people should watch, I'll start reading the books soon

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The world needs those Absolutely Safe Capsules from Mother 3 to escort these idiots away from money, power, influence, and most devastatingly of all, any internet access or network connectivity to keep them truly solipsistic. In a thousand years of zero interference with them or from them, they will join and become one with their precious machines and become one with it

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

https://www.christianpost.com/news/we-asked-grok-whether-its-new-logo-is-a-broken-cross.html

The 53-year-old Tesla and SpaceX CEO told Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson in an interview last July that the decision to build a supercomputer in Memphis evoked references, at least in part, to the Memphis of ancient Egypt and its pantheon of gods.

“Perhaps that’s where our new god will come from,” Musk said.

I fucking hate these people so much!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah, an oracle for the masses is something very convenient.

Just remind me, who had the power - Alexander or his fortunetellers? Caesar or his fortunetellers? Or whether Delphi oracle ever managed to turn the religious part into power?

BTW - I understand how such ideas can be out of sincere desire to help humanity. Magic thinking is natural, and some perception of the world is natural, and evolution is just not fast enough for the technical developments we have.

And what I'd want in the future to account for that (sort of a panopticon, not because I'm an exhibitionist, but because you can't make a subset of society always tracked and visible without making everyone always tracked and visible ; and lack of banking privacy, for example, in Scandinavian countries doesn't seem to hurt them that much) might well be worse than what they want. A bit like Zamyatin's book.

It's just that "might" doesn't negate the fact that they are already doing a few very bad things, like genocide. Perhaps their mitigation is just not worth such sacrifices. Perhaps mine is better then.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

we're in for a nasty theilocracy.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I just want to make this very clear.

What began as right wing fear mongering in the 1970s under the message of protecting traditional family values against secular humanism, and involved a film literally called "Whatever happened to the human race?" might very well end with the extinction of the human race, at the hands of an evil gay villain who has funded hateful racist and anti LGBTQ policy, while spreading all kinds of nonsense about population decline, reducing overall quality of life in America, replacing jobs with AI, making healthcare and birth control inaccessible to many Americans, preventing gay couples from adopting (while also quietly raising his own adopted children with his husband, and let's be honest, likely murdering his kept boyfriend on the side when he started speaking out about Thiel's hypocrisy), and is intentionally trying to collapse the entire economy bc he knows that once that happens, he will control the majority of resources and power. Following human extinction, he (or at least his name) will live on eternally via transhumanism as the one representative of all humankind and all it's earthly achievements. Just really let that all sink in.

Congrassions! Ya Done It!

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We’re partly responsible if we let this continue

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's why I feel like people need to be aware of this, and understand there are Republicans and Democrats taking Thiel's money.

It doesn't matter how he gets there, this is his ultimate goal. He would prefer the far right Nazi way, but if he has to hide behind a moderate Democrat he'll do that too.

Look at this shit.

Ro Kahnna is definitely setting himself up to run for president in 2028. Either that or possibly vice president to Gavin Newsome. Newsome also has taken Thiel money in the past.

Thiel's private Uranium mine just happens to be in the home state of Thomas Massie, the Republican who is partnering with Kahnna to take on the Trump Epstein files in a bipartisan tag team.

I'm glad they're exposing rich pedophiles, but don't give them fucking brownie points when it's clear they've been sitting on this shit the whole fucking time. The same with Vance going to Rupert Murdoch before all of this dropped.

They definitely could have exposed Trump before he even ran for president the second time, but they didn't bc this is just part of their evil bullshit plans. This is just a game to them, and the people who have been hurt and exploited mean nothing. Fuck these evil pieces of shit. All of them.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I hope we're alone in the Universe.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I know what you mean. At least that would make Thiel's evil bullshit all for naught. Just Thiel's stupid ugly fucking face floating through an empty void for all eternity. How fitting.

He's bringing us closer and closer to destruction in order to make this a reality. In the meantime to reach that point, two of the leaders of Epstein's sex trafficking ring are about to be subpoenaed by Congress while they continuing to make money from Epstein's investments in Thiel's companies.

For some reason, the media keeps giving them the euphemism of "Epstein's estate" rather than alerting the public that these are the indispensable captains of his trafficking network.

Government contracts keep providing Thiel's company with money in exchange for use of his technology to round up families and separate parents from their children. Often the children become lost in the system...

The money Thiel makes through these contracts goes into the pockets of the captains of Epstein's network and members of the White House administration via their investments, or the pockets of democratic and Republican congressmen via donations for their campaign or state projects, and for some reason America just keeps pretending they don't see this happening right in front of them, on their streets, with their tax dollars.

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