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I've been waiting for years for this to finally be approved. I can't stand Daylight Saving Time, only serves to make me tired for the next month while I adjust, twice per year. It's a relic from the past and many countries are moving towards removing it or have removed it already altogether.
More info:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-000550_EN.html
I can't stand winter time, would love DST all year long. Its so depressing to have the sun set before I finish work and come home when its pitch black...
It clearly seems like something designed by people who get up at 04:00 and are asleep by 20:00.
It was, but also we have the same time in most EU, so at the west or east extremities either winter or summer time is quite wrong (or even both). Synchronized time is handy for international relations, though.
The US have several timezones, seems okay for them
Mainly it is just Arizona that is totally weird there with its nested levels of 'no DST/DST' (7 levels deep I think).
Honestly, just give me one time for everything world-wide and then have - gasp - people get up at different times. It would make things so much easier.
Aweful idea: do you want to plan a meeting at 16:00 with colleagues in the US? It is very hard to tell if this makes sense without timezones. Is this in their working day? Or the equivalent of midnight? Or something else? There are no timezones, so there is no way of telling without looking at some shady website how many hours you are shifted - which is basically the concept of timezones anyway, but shittier.
without looking at some shady website
On Gnome and on Windows you can add multiple clocks so when you click the time it shows the differences.
But not if there are no timezones! Probably someone would find a way to display the shift anyway, but this is basically the old timezone system again, but without a (more-or-less) universal standard.
The universal standard right now is UTC and pretty much any program or other application that is serious about time uses it and only converts to the broken timezone system on display.
this just shifts the problem around though. so instead of debating when 8am and everyone getting to work is relative to the suns cycle you have to figure out which time should be getting to work time. But it still faces the same problems: Different people have different biological clocks and we were not made to deal with people being a thousamd kilometres or more away regularly.
But you have that problem even in the same office. Some start at 7 and leave at 3, others start at 9 and work until 5, some work half of the day only, others are in meetings. Why screw with the clock and inconvenience literally everyone even for the simple task of figuring out what is the same time, what is earlier and what is later just to not really solve anything?
Ask your employer if you can move hours -1 or +1, if that's possible in your case. I know some people that were able to improve their efficiency through that, it's a win-win situation
It's worth a try for sure. But for many people it's not possible because they work in a team and/or are reliant on a common schedule with externals. So either everyone starts an hour later or noone does which is really hard to coordinate.
The same applies for activities outside of work too. You might be able to get up an hour early to work earlier to go home before it gets dark in winter but then you never get to see your friends because you have to go to bed early too.
Thank you for this! I had a look at the first link, it seems like they didn't answer anything more than 2020, which is this one: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2020-005617-ASW_EN.html
Basically, more paperwork to do before going on...
The public poll was extremely skewed, mostly Germans voted.
Biologists argue against permanent summer time, people are in favor of summer time. But most people haven't looked into the issue enough. Do you like to get up early? Then summer time is indeed better for you. But for most people it's not. But summer is nice and it's really complicated to think about time and the sun and how one changes when we move the clocks, so most people think they prefer summer time. Public health and public opinion run opposite in this case.
At the moment we have one time zone all the way from Spain to like Poland. Poland doesn't want to give up summer time, Spain doesn't want to give up standard time. (Or was it the other way around?). They are on the fringes of the time zone, geographically speaking and feel the negative effects the most. Obviously neither country wants to make the situation worse for its citizens, so no agreement has been reached.
Well, they could get the timezones, that actually fit to their geography.
This is an option. I think it is not a very popular one though, because it makes cooperation and trade a tiny bit more complicated.
I would add to this the compounding effect of northern places. If one were to keep summer time all year round, the sun would rise at 9.30 am in the winter.
On the other hand, if one keeps standard time all year round, it rises at around 2 am in the summer.
(I still hate daylight savings though.)
I thought global warming was how we were abolishing winter time. I'll see myself out
They couldn't agree, so it went back for each state to decide, but even domestically it can be difficult to reach an agreement.. so we all continue doing the worst solution.
I much prefer more light in the evening than the morning. I really hope eventually we snap to our senses and put an end to the time change. It sucks so hard in the winter.
Old people were against it and they seem to be the only ones with a voice that is actually heard.
messing with boomers is always a bad idea
This topic (and all previous discussions around this question) is the exact example why it hasn't been changed and likely never will be changed: People cannot agree to either of the solutions.
A good solution for your place is a bad solution at some other place.
It's just a popular topic for politicians to talk about - and then not doing anything about it.
How did people do before the oil crash and the reinstating of the daylight saving time?
Different countries could have different timezones, the US work with different timezones
Timezones solve an entirely different problem.
Timezones solve the east west problem, while daylight saving time solves the "sun rises later in winter"-problem. So more like a north south problem - because seasons.
If you want to suggest to create more "north south" timezones, you'd only make it more complicated than it is already. After all one of the more sane arguments is to remove complexity by removing DST. You'd bring complexity to a whole new level instead.
I wasn't introducing north south timezones, just reacting to the common issue that is that some countries prefer summer time, while others prefer winter time. The issue seems to be there because we want countries as far apart as Spain and Poland to share the same timezone.
An article that addresses that issue, with an interesting proposition (4 timezones instead of 3)
the US work with different timezones
Timezones solve an entirely different problem.
I think that technically, time zones may include whether-or-not DST is supported, not just the "bands". But, okay, yeah, that's semantics.
That being said, the US also doesn't entirely use daylight savings time, so @Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de's point still stands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States
Most of the United States observes daylight saving time, the practice of setting the clock forward by one hour when there is longer daylight during the day, so that evenings have more daylight and mornings have less. Exceptions include Arizona (except for the Navajo, who do observe daylight saving time in Navajo Nation),[1] Hawaii,[2] and the overseas territories of American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the United States Virgin Islands.
North south timezones also dont work all that well really. the further you go both morning and evening move. so you just end up having to got to work in the middle of the night and come back in daylight or the other way round
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