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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Germany once again on the wrong side of history. This time the side of Zionism.

[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Not to defend Germany on such an action but any siding with Palestine will immediately be picked up as anti-Semitism. They'll just get called Nazis by the Israeli government. It is not rational, but I don't think the Israeli government is!

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maybe they should be a little bit less afraid of being called names and a little bit more afraid of facilitating another genocide.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz -1 points 6 days ago

I'm pretty sure, that Germany, with its history with jews, shouldn't be the political driving force here

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

So they prefer being nazis to getting called nazis by their nazi friends. Cool. That's a defense.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think this is what happens when you focus more on the history of what the Nazis did to the Jews, rather than what they did to marginalised groups full stop. You end up more worried about being antisemitic than you do about being bigoted fascists.

Think about how little it's widely talked about of what the Nazis did to the disabled, or trans people, or gay people, or Romani/traveller people.

Yeah. It's an issue.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 20 points 6 days ago

Thing is, being critical of the Israeli government's actions isn't automatically antisemitic. Sure Netanyahu and his criminal gang may want to equate the two, but it's still BS.

And Germany performing such duties for the Israeli government and acting as the long arm of Netanyahu without any type of critical thought of themselves makes them complicit in this conflict between Israel and Palestine.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

incredible, considering the place of origin of the pink triangle

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They're German cops. They knew.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 days ago

didn't say they didn't. just said it's incredible. specifically, i think i find it incredibly offensive to a society worth having. if this is how it's going to be… i can't even really articulate.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Wait, I understand the whole Hitler salute thing, but aside from that and the swastika - there are symbols you can't wear on your shirt in Germany without being arrested?!!

I don't even think we've made it to that point here in Trumpistan yet.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Can't wear SS tattoos either, or genocide denial. Truly terrible times.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Ok yes, all the nazi stuff I get.

But if that had been a watermelon instead of a pink triangle the guy would have been fucked?

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

No, it is exactly what you said: extremist symbols are not allowed in Germany in order to not give them presence in everyday life. While our police is sometimes a bit blind on their right eye regarding those, I do agree that those symbols should be forbidden in public.

Now the caveat: like this story shows, it can be abused like all censorship laws. But if you don't know the history of the pink triangle as German police officer, you should be fired and send back to high school history classes.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

I do agree that those symbols should be forbidden in public.

I disagree. But displaying such symbols should consider assualt, so when you punch a nazi... it can be classified as self defense.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 days ago

Thank you for the clarification! 🙂

[–] shea@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago

you're a bad person

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think you may need a /s at the end of that

Edit: fixed typo

[–] Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 days ago

I don't see the link with Palestinian resistance?

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 17 points 6 days ago

Good thing they only had seven officers in riot gear deal with this dangerous man. Anything more and they might come off looking like a police state.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

I wonder what country those triangles and their meaning came from?

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago
[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Not that I don't believe that would be something Germany would do, but do you have any actual source? A single 9-second video is unlikely to show enough context to see what's happened...and that would be if the 9 second video actually worked. I tried in both Firefox and Edge—Firefox told me it just couldn't play it, and Edge pretends it's playing it and that it's a 9 second video, but doesn't show anything at all, or play any audio.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh thanks. Honestly, the reply tweet:

They told him and he reported it

Is worth so much more to me as evidence than the video itself.

off topic: saw the same guy also tweeted that apparently Hans Zimmer (briefly) had a post up in support of Palestine. It wouldn't make me like his music (or worse: his impact on the world of film music), but he came so close to doing something I could respect...

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

James Jackson is a pretty credibly source. He is a journalist himself and frequently reports on events which receive no attention from the German media. He did some great journalism on Ghassan Abu Sittah early when the entire German media was smearing the Palestinian surgeon https://xcancel.com/derJamesJackson/status/1790768391004778516

The Hans Zimmer thing was a while ago. Some people online checked on it and said it was real as well but Hans simply deleted his statement. However I did not confirm that.

As for this instance, usually James Jackson is very early with the reports so if it happened it can take one to four days before other media start reporting on it, if they are interested in it that is.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hi, can you replace the x.com URL with an xcancel.com one? We don't allow Xitter links on dbzer0

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It plays for me without audio but you aren't missing much. They walk down the street with him, a cop points to his clothes, the end

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ah thanks. So it's as I suspected, it doesn't really actually prove the claim?

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Correct, just a vague video