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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 143 points 5 days ago (8 children)

What's going on with Europe lately? You all really want GOOGLE of all mega corps in control of your identity?

You're going the opposite way, it should be your right to install an alternate OS on your phone. If anything they should be banning Google licensed Android.

[–] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 82 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Its not the populace, our politicians just like in the US have gone rogue. People are voting for the nutters due to anti immigration propaganda and so increasingly getting far right. Its happening across the entire western world and its bad news for everyone.

[–] arararagi@ani.social 1 points 53 minutes ago

At least in the UK it has been the Labor party doing it, they all want control.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Except this isn't even the right wing nutters doing it. These are mainstream politicians executing their power grabbing neolib agenda, with very little democratic oversight or public debate.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 35 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I just wanted the EU to fork lineageOS and provide it as an alternative in major chains.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We dont want it. VdL is one of the most corrupt people in policits and unfortunately has a lot of influence

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 226 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Please don't link to Reddit. Context below:

The EU is currently developing a whitelabel app to perform privacy-preserving (at least in theory) age verification to be adopted and personalized in the coming months by member states. The app is open source and available here: https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui.

Problem is, the app is planning to include remote attestation feature to verify the integrity of the app: https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui?tab=readme-ov-file#disclaimer. This is supposed to provide assurance to the age verification service that the app being used is authentic and running on a genuine operating system. Genuine in the case of Android means:

  • The operating system was licensed by Google

  • The app was downloaded from the Play Store (thus requiring a Google account)

  • Device security checks have passed

While there is value to verify device security, this strongly ties the app to many Google properties and services, because those checks won't pass on an aftermarket Android OS, even those which increase security significantly like GrapheneOS, because the app plans to use Google "Play Integrity", which only allows Google licensed systems instead of the standard Android attestation feature to verify systems.

This also means that even though you can compile the app, you won't be able to use it, because it won't come from the Play Store and thus the age verification service will reject it.

The issue has been raised here https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui/issues/10 but no response from team members as of now.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 53 points 5 days ago (23 children)

So is there a way to apply pressure on the EU to think this through first? Surely they could have different ways that doesn't lock them in to google services.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

According to the users in that issue, the mere application of the API is illegal, as is the dependency. Sooo I dunno what kind of PACs there are in the EU but I would be leaning on and contributing to those.

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[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 83 points 5 days ago (1 children)

European Digital identity

looks inside:

Hosted on GitHub in the US 👏

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[–] renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 82 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why is the EU licking america's asshole?

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

'Cos it's been turning (far-)right as well in the last few years.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Which is why Europeans shouldn't be too eager to laugh about the US being a fascist hellhole. It could happen there again if they're not vigilant.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Dude, I keep telling my possibly AfD voting cousin we're just a few years behind the US if things continue as they do. Our politicians aren't better people, they're just sneakier for now.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

The way that the EU has been bending over for Trump is worrying.

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[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

How long before that extends to PCs and non-Windows OSes are blocked? Also, add non-Chrome browsers to that as well (that includes Edge, Chromium, Brave, etc. as well as Firefox and its forks).

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 88 points 5 days ago (15 children)

What is it with everyone being obsessed with porn censorship suddenly? Why is this a trend?

At first I thought it's about control and data gathering, but this seems like too much of a genuine attempt at such a system. Why is the government so obsessed with parenting and nannying the citizens?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 4 days ago

It's not about porn. It's about tracking your every move online.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago

Fascism is making a comeback, and everyone's dumb enough to believe it's an America problem, instead of a global oligarchy, class war, problem.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)
  • Govt. want to control access to everything
  • People are not too happy about this
  • Govt. say "to protect children, you have to install this app, under these conditions"
  • You want to protect childrens, so you do so
  • Govt. say "to protect this or that, we have to impose approved gates on many websites, based on the app you installed before"
  • You want to protect this or that, so you accept it
  • Govt. say "fuck you, you whatever is not in line with the fucking biggot at the helm of your country/federation/whatever, now we know what you do, we control what's allowed, and anything to get around the blocks is illegal and will land you in jail. Fuck you again, fucker."
  • You're a happy little plant in a pot.

Basically, it's not about porn. It's not about protecting kids. It's not about helping "victims of abuse". If anything, it's putting all these in more danger, along with everyone else.

[–] end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

"protect children"

  • actively defending child rape
  • calls vaccines poison
  • calls prenatal care and school lunch subsidy woke
  • spends billions bombing brown children
[–] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 days ago

If hypocrisy was poisonous we wouldn't have these problems

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In addition to the other answers, I want to add that the anti-porn stuff gives them the reason they need to force you into a more monitored environment. In which, everything you do is tracked. Your instinct is right imo. They want Google monitoring your mobile device as the primary piece. It's legislative market capture and fascism at the same time. No one company has to have all the info on you, but in forcing you to confirm yourself they make it so half a dozen can report on you if your habits trigger something. Half the technology is already in place as it's been built under the guise of better ad targeting.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

The legal precedent for gaining the ability to ban content under the guise of preventing the dissemination of "obscenity" allows the future banning of "obscene" political opinions and "obscene" dissent.

Once the "obscene" political content is banned, the language will change to "offensive".

After "offensive" content is banned, then the language will change to "inappropriate".

After "inappropriate", the language will change to "oppositional".

If you believe this is a "slippery slope" fallacy, then as a counterpoint, I would refer to the actual history of the term "politically correct":

In the early-to-mid 20th century, the phrase politically correct was used to describe strict adherence to a range of ideological orthodoxies within politics. In 1934, The New York Times reported that Nazi Germany was granting reporting permits "only to pure 'Aryans' whose opinions are politically correct".[5]

The term political correctness first appeared in Marxist–Leninist vocabulary following the Russian Revolution of 1917. At that time, it was used to describe strict adherence to the policies and principles of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, that is, the party line.[24] Later in the United States, the phrase came to be associated with accusations of dogmatism in debates between communists and socialists. According to American educator Herbert Kohl, writing about debates in New York in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

The term "politically correct" was used disparagingly, to refer to someone whose loyalty to the CP line overrode compassion, and led to bad politics. It was used by Socialists against Communists, and was meant to separate out Socialists who believed in egalitarian moral ideas from dogmatic Communists who would advocate and defend party positions regardless of their moral substance.

— "Uncommon Differences", The Lion and the Unicorn[4]

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[–] iii@mander.xyz 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Why is the government so obsessed with parenting and nannying the citizens?

I think it's because people from outside the traditional political families are getting popular votes.

For the established politicians, blaming "the internet" and building a supressing censorship machine is easier than looking in the mirror and seeing where the discontent comes from.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Been wondering myself. It's certainly part of the general right-ward trend. Societies are becoming more illiberal. It's not just the right that is moving to the right.

Obscenity laws have always been about enforcing the "correct" sexuality. Protecting minors meant preventing them from becoming "confused"; ie becoming LGBTQ.

You also have growing nationalism. In Europe, people are saying we should enforce "our laws" and "our values" against meddling foreigners (ie Big Tech). It often sounds a lot like the rants against the "globalists" that have been a staple among the US far right for decades. Age verification is part of that.

For example, Germany has long enforced age verification within its borders. It's part of the whole over-regulation thing that makes competitive tech companies almost impossible in Europe. For some reason, Europeans have trouble accepting that. You can see it here on Lemmy. The solution must be to enshittify everything to level the playing field.

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[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 132 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fuck the play integrity API, Play Store and Google play services

[–] iii@mander.xyz 27 points 5 days ago (5 children)

And the EU for their stupid fucking censorship

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 106 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

Yeah no. Requiring anything Google for something as basic as this violates the GDPR. If they go through with this, it's one legal case until they have to revise it.

Edit: German eID works on any Android btw., flawless actually. I sure hope I can use that for verification

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Edit: German eID works on any Android btw., flawless actually. I sure hope I can use that for verification

Same in Italy... I mean, I can pay taxes with that application but I cannot be verified for my age ? Seriously EU ?

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago (1 children)

so if I use graphene os then I can't look at porn in the eu

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Wait till they put up a EU Great Firewall and ban VPNs

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 78 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The US might have shot itself in the foot by electing Trump, but the EU is really going to shoot itself in the head if that continue in the same trajectory.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/1mau7yl/eu_age_verification_app_to_ban_any_android_system/

[–] viking 52 points 5 days ago (3 children)

So VPN on the router permanently set to Singapore it is.

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[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 35 points 5 days ago

They killed the old net and are in the middle of murdering the new one too.

[–] dugmeup@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago
[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Well, I hope they'll pay for my "EU age verification" phone, since my own won't work. I'll gladly buy one and not use it either.

[–] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It hurt itself in its confusion!

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