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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Epstein should be the theme. It even has traction with his own side. Empty G and I are on the same side, for the first, and very probably only, time.

Even with this theme, Epstein should feature prominently. This is the first time that an issue has resonated so strongly with his own following. The entire Q Anon thing started over conspiracy theories about Democratic Child Sex Trafficking, HitlerPig amplified it, and rode it to power.

And now we've come to the really deliciously ironic part. MAGAs treated this issue like the only people who could possibly be in the files are Democrats like the Clintons, but they're finding out that even if that's so, Dems don't care. We're all sick of the spineless establishment Dems anyway, go ahead and toss them in jail. Now we have finally reached that moment we have been careening towards for years, and their bluff is literally being called, but instead of showing their cards, they have to show the files, and they don't want to do that because there are a LOT more MAGAs than Dems. Even more ironic, usually they aren't holding anything when they bluff, but in this case, we know they are holding a Red Royal Flush.

If it turns out that the Epstein Files were full of MAGAs who could have been destroyed, but the Biden administration chose to give them a break in order to protect the Clinton's, or some other Democratic perv, then that's a secondary scandal.

Keep up the pressure, increase it steadily, and this could be the thing that brings him down.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

The files were sealed under court order until January. Biden didn't have the opportunity to release the files.

[–] NikolaTeslasPigeon@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nothing will change until Americans are willing to disrupt. General Strikes are effective. Shut it all down and see how quickly things change. It's not easy but until you get the appetite for it, nothing will change.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

only if the railroad workers could strike again, this seems to extremely disruptive to the us, if they do it, because its lifeblood of the us. they were doing very hard on both sides to prevent those strikes.

[–] kebab@endlesstalk.org 1 points 4 days ago

Starting soon folks, get ready!

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

To those being diswayed by comments stating that peaceful protests are useless and don't do anything, keep in mind that these comments are from people who are probably doing nothing but commenting on the internet and are useless themselves.

"Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change."

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inb4 "Oh YeAh WeLl I DiD sUcH aNd sUcH"

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

As an American (I know some people will scoff at that statement but that's what we would genuinely say), but I feel like protests are effectively pointless in the modern day. The people in power don't care and even Amy Coney Barrett has said how she has people around her house day and night and that they are wasting their time. Protests are great for the morale of the protestors, but they effectively don't have any impact on people in office. I like the idea of protests, I support what most protestors are doing, but I don't feel like they are making any real difference to the political stance of those they are protesting.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Agreed. Protests that don't disrupt anything are about as effective as online petitions.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Except that protests that actually disrupt something get you arrested. Still doesn't actually do much in the USA.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's the thing. You have to get enough people arrested that the system can't handle it. Its tough to find that many people willing to make that sacrifice until things get much worse than they are now

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Eh, that's not really a good example. The US already has more people incarcerated per capita than any other country. The biggest limitation is how many people they can arrest at one time, not how many people they will arrest total. You might be able to get enough people to protest at once that they can't arrest them all at once, but they absolutely will arrest them over 1-3 years. They kept arresting Jan 6th people for 4 years under Biden, you don't think that the current administration will be after you as long as possible?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Jan 6 is actually the example I was thinking of. The system was overwhelmed enough that it took so long that their guy took office and pardoned everyone.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

and also its only 1 side protesting, maga/conservatives almost never protest against the gop, they are more likely to follow the leader than anything.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thats a generalisation.

It depends what the objective of your protest is.

Obviously people standing outside a politicians house with a sign are ineffective, thats just not how politics works.

Obviously large scale protests aren't going to make Trump change his ways or resign.

However, I think large scale protests might activate a lot of apathetic people, and get them connected.

America doesn't need Trump to resign and Vance to take over. You need societal change. You need your population to realise that your trajectory is pretty awful and that it doesn't have to be.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Except there's been no supporting evidence of that. Protests, large or small, get the people who protest to go vote. If they are the type to go to a protest then statistically they were already likely to go vote. The problem is the demographic of people who talk about issues but don't historically go vote.

Historically conservatives go vote whether they protest, talk at work, or literally say nothing. Conversely, liberals and progressives historically do not go vote despite protesting, arguing, or anything else.

When I was in college I was still conservative leaning based on my childhood. I had a class with ~60 other people and we were given a group activity in which we could pick 2 guaranteed rights. The rights varied greatly, such as being accepted for your sexuality (as in from this day forth your sexual orientation would always be accepted without question), or you will have the right to universal healthcare, or you can move to any country you want without persecution. The premise of this question was that you would get the things you picked, but the others you would probably lose the other things. Out of that group of ~60 people only 2 chose the right to vote. The professor then pointed out that while each person had picked certain rights that couldn't be taken away from them, two people now had 100% control of the political decisions for the rest of the group. With this they could give themselves more rights or even strip the unpicked rights from others.

I'm not sure how it happened, but conservatives instilled in their base that they need to vote no matter what while liberals don't think it's that important unless it's the literal end of the world.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

statement but that's what we would genuinely say)

I think part of the issue here is not following through with that energy into elections to get progressive platforms in office.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It's a mixed bag in my opinion. I think the majority of people who show up to protest are likely to go vote, but the majority of people don't protest. There is probably a small subset of people who would show up to protest and not show up to vote, but the biggest problem is people who say they dislike something, brigade it online, tell everyone at their work or school about it, but then don't turn out to vote. The one side requires action, the other is just talk, the problem with liberals and progressives today is that they talk but don't vote. For conservatives the majority of them vote, but don't talk.

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (18 children)

I have attended protests and will do so again, but I have no illusions that the fascists will simply ignore them. This may build up more frustration from people, but the sooner we can plan a general strike the better. The nazi ticks are just burrowing deeper.

[–] HalifaxJones@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

What we need is for someone to openly share addresses of the billionaires homes and start protesting there. That’s the only way we can negatively effect them. Make them scared to be comfortable in their own homes.

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[–] justineie_bobeanie@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (4 children)

June "No Kings" saw the largest single day protests in US history. This is a healthy response by the population. We do absolutely need to move beyond the limits of street protests, and onto the development of a mass strike movement; however, the fact that masses of people are willing to go out and protest on a largely spontaneous basis is significant. What is needed is clear revolutionary political perspective. When this understanding grips the masses, particularly the working class, the movement will take on an explosivly historic significance.

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[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Besides all the other anti equal rights, anti justice, anti democratic, fascist bullshit trump likes, this is also acceptable to him and netanyahu:


More images from Anadolu @ Getty Images

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Its sorta sad I never see something like this on the 50501 communities. I feel someone made them with the intention that someone else would do it. Anyway https://www.rageagainsttheregime.org/

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (11 children)

We need to do a peaceful protest every month till this administration and their dear leader are gone.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Peaceful protests won't get rid of the regime. What they're good for is connecting, organizing, demonstrating opposition is a viable size to uncertain bystanders who fear being part of a tiny minority and getting crushed, and generating enthusiasm for further, more 'strategic' work.

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[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If these happen in Democrat-run cities, what is the over/under that Trump sends in the National Guard?

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