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[โ€“] PeelerSheila@aussie.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Ok so I'm having a bit of a rough time ATM. It's in relation to this comment I made yesterday.

Miniest and I have had a few chats, I've tried to be tolerant and accepting but I'm ashamed to say that the tolerance and understanding is not happening as easily on my end of things as it probably should be. I feel that just because the "girliest" girls in the class don't want to play their girly games with you for example, and just because you are not into wearing girly clothes etc., that doesn't make you any less of a girl. It certainly doesn't make you a boy. There is a lot of middle ground between the ultra glam feminine stereotypical examples of womanliness and the more masculine "tom boy" (to use an expression from my childhood) stereotypes of women. Most of us seem to be kind of in the middle somewhere. Some of us have girly nails or drive a girly car or have beautiful girly hair and clothes but also know how to put up a bookshelf or change a washer on a tap or are a mean kick of the footy. That's the beauty of having the freedom to pick and choose and be flexible with your identity and self perception. As you grow up you find your spot and get comfortable with yourself and learn who you are. I'm trying to explain this to Miniest but it's impossible for her to understand because she lacks the life experience to do so, but is pretty steadfast and stubborn about being called a boy. I've had to be honest; I'm sometimes tactful but unfortunately also can be pretty blunt. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and has feathers like a duck and looks like a duck then you can pretty well guess it's a bloody duck. My child looks like a girl, sounds like a girl and to me is a girl, just not a conventionaly girly one, and it's actually this aspect of her that I love the most. She is strongly individual, rebellious, outspoken and creative, hilarious and unique and beautiful. I'm glad and proud of her being my daughter with attributes like these, and I'm not adjusting well to this new thinking, it's making me feel old and tired and a bit lost. Thankyou for reading my rant, I had to put it out there to just.. get it out.

[โ€“] StudChud@aussie.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm AFAB non-binary (biologically female and raised as a girl, but I don't identify as either male or female in my head), but I'm not a parent so please take this with a big grain of salt.

I knew from Miniest's age, and even before, that I wasn't like the other kids. I was too much of a "girl" for the boys to include me, and too much of a "boy" for the girls to include me. I thought there was something terribly wrong with me, because I wanted to wear dresses but also wanted to play footy and play with "boy" toys (I so badly wanted hot wheels. I got a Barbie doll ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ). I had no words to describe myself, I would cry because I felt like I didn't fit in or belong anywhere. Didn't help that mum refused to dress me in feminine clothes because of her own trauma (fear of men staring at me ๐Ÿ™„) but her family would ask me why I dress like a boy. It was very confusing and traumatising on top of everything else I was dealing with.

It took me a long time, not until I was 28 to realise I was NB, and to also allow myself to dress both femininely and masculinely without feeling awful and gross. And that was because I was reading posts from other NBs and I felt so seen and understood. I don't do anything different now, I still look and sound like a woman. I dress femininely and masculinely equally, I'm confident telling people my pronouns are they/them but also accept that I will be referred to as she/her because I'm not overly androgynous. The difference is, is that I don't think I'm inherently "wrong" for being this way, and I accept myself with kindness. It doesn't change who I am, but I am much more confident and happy with myself.

Miniest also is about to hit puberty, and it's just going to involve a lot of labels and discovery on her part. They might not feel "female" now, but that can change, and might change a lot or not at all. They might try on different labels and styles, as it's a journey of discovering oneself and accepting oneself fully and wholly.

The best thing you can do is just, try to accept it? Accept that right now, Miniest doesn't feel particularly "female" in their head, accept that that might change as they grow and discover who they are. Personally, I'd avoid asking too many questions, especially as it can (but not always!) feel like an interrogation, but just reinforce that you love and and accept Miniest no matter what. That their journey and who they are, who they will become, will not ever change how much you love Miniest. That's the most important part - that Miniest knows that no matter what, you will always have their back and be in their corner.

I can't speak for the parent side of it, I'm sorry. But I do know that Miniest will always need you on their side.

[โ€“] Eagle@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Spud, that is so beautifully put. ๐Ÿ’œ

[โ€“] StudChud@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you! I hope it came across as kind! I'm certainly not judging Peeler!

Just hoped to give my thoughts as someone who is what Miniest seems to identify with presently ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’œ

Miniest is in good hands with Peeler, I believe that wholeheartedly!!

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[โ€“] imoldgreeeg@aussie.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

CEO and Seagoon have such wise advice. I don't have kids but it's something I have thought about myself as an adult. I have never fit in with girls and my experience of my female biology has been pretty negative (endo, infertile etc). For a while I wondered if I were not a woman but it's really hard to unpack (for me) whether you fundamentally are not your assigned gender or if you don't really like the idea of your assigned gender.

I eventually came to some peace through some study I did related to yoga. The idea of feminine I was learning about was the fierce, fighting, transforming one. I understood that the gender stuff we have thrown at us is so empty and silly. I don't wear dresses and I don't like some aspects of my body. I'm just me. A she mostly.

I would hate to be a kid going through this and just wanting to belong. And it's bloody hard to be the parent holding space but also trying to protect and guide.

No answers just throwing some thoughts out in case it helps.

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[โ€“] bacon@aussie.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

For quite a few years I wanted to be a boy, I guess partly because I was told by many adults that I was not girly enough, and I have few โ€œgirlyโ€ interests. My personality does not fit the stereotypical girl one either. Itโ€™s only after accepting I do not have to care about stereotypes that I am happy to be female. Definitely agree with Seagoon to ask her what she thinks it means to be a girl or a boy, whether she just wants to do what boys do, or whether she (he?) identifies as one.

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[โ€“] TheWitchofThornbury@aussie.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Went through something like this myself.

personal experienceBeing bullied and called a tomboy or a lesbian or worse because I didn't wear make up or paint my nails with glitter etc. And wasn't submissive and starstruck around anything with a y chromosome. I did find during high school that the girly-girls were afraid of me, and some of their name calling and other idiocies was because I didn't conform to a gender stereotype that they were fully invested in. They couldn't take it that I wasn't falling into line with their very bi-polar gendered view of the universe. Didn't help that they were from much wealthier backgrounds and 'higher' social status (at least in their own opinion), so they felt they had a right to dictate everyone else's behaviour. Being a fair bit smarter than them didn't help either - but did eventually allow them to label me a 'brain' and therefore outside their gender norms.

And they were majorly pissed off with me because most of my friends were boys. Who talked with me like I was one of them and we liked each others company but didn't flirt. When I got married I got a fair few letters from the girly-girls (this was before texts) expressing surprise that I'd managed to be 'normal' enough to marry.

One of the positives of this was that I learned early to store my identity inside me, rather than in the clothes I wore or the things I owned. Not being a girly-girl didn't make me a boy or a lesbian or anything really, but it did take a bit longer to find my niche, as back then there was a hellava lot more gender stereotyping pushed onto girls. Not so much of that nowadays for which we can all be thankful.

Miniest may have a harder road to travel, and may never find instant unthinking broad community approval cos there's still a fair bit of stereotyping out there. But I'm also sure that Miniest will find a way to be herself, and to do that in style!

Hugs to both of you.

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[โ€“] CEOofmyhouse56@aussie.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I always told the young people my daughter hangs with not to worry about labels. Enjoy being young. Get experiences in life. Those things will slot into space when the time is right. The important thing is being you.

Hugs to you ๐Ÿซ‚

[โ€“] PeelerSheila@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thankyou I will do that๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ

[โ€“] Eagle@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

Its a tough spot for both of you to be in. I tend to agree with CEO and Seagoon about not worrying about the label too much. Minipeeler is still the creative, strong individual you know and love, and they will continue to grow and develop in a world that supports them as an individual regardless of the box they tick around gender.

[โ€“] Pilk@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think this post is evidence of top-notch parenting. You've figure out you're in a tricky moment, and have started putting in the work to navigate it, and you'll be prepared whatever eventuality.

Did the pronouns revelation seem like a big deal to Miniest? There's a good chance it felt like a bit of a "coming out" -- and safety in your (conscious and subconscious) reaction will be closely being searched for. As long as Miniest knows nothing else changes, there's still beds to be made and dinner to help prepare, you'll be good.

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[โ€“] Seagoon_@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ask her what she thinks are the attributes of a girl and the attributes of a boy

I'm 100% sure that I would be labelled something by people who have an agenda just because I played sports, liked animals and not dolls, had and still have an interest in technology, studied the sciences, joined the military and have an interest in geopolitics

I was never labeled by others in this and I never doubted who I was ( I had and still have other problems with labels but nothing to do with gender)

[โ€“] PeelerSheila@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

Thankyou that sounds like a worthwhile conversation to have with her and I will.

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[โ€“] SituationCake@aussie.zone 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So much good advice in the comments already given. Thereโ€™s a difference between feeling like youโ€™re in the wrong body, or just feeling like you donโ€™t align with the current version of gender norms. Eg traditionally the wife would cook all the meals at home, but professional cooks were men. So does cooking make you feminine or masculine? Obviously neither, itโ€™s just a task that has had historical divisions applied to it based on status. The point being; hobbies, interests, clothing preferences (men used to wear frills and lace, dresses, bright colours at various times in history), career interests, liking sports etc etc do not make someone male or female. Miniest is gonna have a lot of things to figure out, and as they grow older it might be they figure out they just donโ€™t like the 2025 version of โ€˜girlyโ€™, or it might be something deeper.

Youโ€™re doing an awesome job already thinking through possibilities and having conversations, and being ready with assurances of love. You got this, whatever path it goes down.

[โ€“] PeelerSheila@aussie.zone 5 points 1 week ago

I like your historical perspective (wigs, gents?) and the difference between feeling like you're either in the wrong body or not aligned with society's version of gender. I feel like that part is really important and something everyone has to explore for themselves, as Miniest will.

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[โ€“] useless_modern_god@aussie.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I saw Silverchair and Powderfinger at the Across The Great Divide tour in Bendigo. As I was pushing my way towards the stage for a closer look at the Silverchair set, someone pinched my bum really hard. Like really hard. I just kept going though..

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[โ€“] Gibsonhasafluffybutt@aussie.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The right side is always my side. Well, it was.

[โ€“] Gibsonhasafluffybutt@aussie.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

I've joined the iPhone people.

Yay?

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[โ€“] Duenan@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Finally after a good few hours I can rest and put my foot up.

Pain is a bit less but made the mistake of putting weight and taking a full step a few times and felt the pain.

Sleep wasnโ€™t too bad but had to readjust a few times to get comfy.

Food has been made, washing packed and new cycle put up.

Took a surprisingly long time for everything and a wash with bag done.

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[โ€“] CEOofmyhouse56@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know if this is clever or tightarsy but a macca's cheese burger costs $4 or $5 each but a hamburger which has everything a cheese burger has except the cheese is $2. I'm gonna get 2 hamburgers and add my own burger cheese to them. Lunch sorted.

[โ€“] Duenan@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Youโ€™ve found a hack!

How much does it cost to add cheese to a burger at maccas?

[โ€“] underwatermagpies@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did some good adulting and got my eyes tested, because they sent me a reminder. I managed to forget that having bright lights shone into my eyes is about the surest way to induce a migraine. Ahhh. Now at home with drugs, stupid eyes can stay untested in future. If I remember. They were fine anyway.

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[โ€“] useless_modern_god@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Dangerous Animals (2025) is an Australian survival horror film. Directed by Sean Byrne, It had a world premiere at Cannes Film Festival (the first Australian film in the program in over a decade)

A serial killer (Jai Courtney) kidnaps and films his victims being eaten alive by sharks. Itโ€™s revealed he has made dozens of videos. Apparently heโ€™s somehow trying to deal with his own childhood trauma of being mauled by a shark.

Eventually, the killer chooses the wrong girl, our protagonist, a van life surfer chick, Zephyr (Hassie Harrison). She possesses both physical and mental strength, as well as being drop dead gorgeous and very clever.

You can imagine how the plot unfolds. Itโ€™s comparable to big game deep sea fishing in which the Marlin resists and tries escape for hours on end and the fishermen slowly reels it in. So too, does the killer thwart escape attempts time and time again.

In this regard, I feel a bit let down by the filmโ€™s only real strength. Itโ€™s a tight story but predictable. The viewer is ultimately just waiting for the final victorious escape and revenge (the scene is a glorious and fitting demise for the killer though).

Most of the film is shot on a smallish fishing boat with some very nice underwater shark scenes, the soundtrack is pretty cool with old school songs by Billy Idol, Creedence, The Regrettes, Crowded House, Fleetwood Mac, and Stevie Wright.

A solid horror film, maybe like a Wolf Creek on the water. Itโ€™s worth one viewing but, I probably wonโ€™t ever watch it again.

6.8/10 gaffer hooks

[โ€“] Seagoon_@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

this sounds good and will go on the watch list ๐Ÿ˜Š

so much to watch, so little time

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[โ€“] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

yeah ok if Great Southern Land is this far up, 1927 and Noiseworks aren't getting a look in.

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[โ€“] imoldgreeeg@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's the way it's gonna beee little darlin'

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[โ€“] Gibsonhasafluffybutt@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Goodnight all โค๏ธ

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[โ€“] RustyRaven@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Miss Meow is having a lazy day on the couch

Edit: Mr Woof agrees that it should be a lazy day, but believes it should be armchair based.

[โ€“] PeelerSheila@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sleeping cats are a thing of beauty ๐Ÿ˜

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[โ€“] tone212_@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Set up and connected my new vinyl player, the records sound sooo much better. Got this player half price during EOFY sales, it was a steal. Having fun re-listening to my records sounding the way they should have all along.

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[โ€“] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

LMAOOOO His Lordship literally just said "I'm gonna be so fucking mad if fucking spiderbait's cover of Black Betty makes it. It's a shit cover"

[โ€“] Catfish@aussie.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

So, who is doing the dishes?

two nerf guns

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[โ€“] Alamutjones@aussie.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

I return. The market is flooded with B+I Lions fans here for the rugby

[โ€“] useless_modern_god@aussie.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reckless at number 39 ๐Ÿ˜ญ. Should have been top 10 on the TripJ list.

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[โ€“] Alamutjones@aussie.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

Gonโ€™ get this lasagna in the oven soon

[โ€“] useless_modern_god@aussie.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

No Chats, King Gizzard or Frenzal on the list. What the hell.?

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[โ€“] Seagoon_@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Movie review. First in a long time. I'd been really looking forward to seeing this. ๐Ÿ˜Š

Better Man with Robbie Williams. ๐Ÿต

I'm tired, in pain, emotional, so of course I cried the whole way through.

As good as 8 Mile but an English movie which is great because Robbie is English.

4 hobbits

Sherlock Holmes Faces Death with Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce. 68 minutes

I watched this to see how they could make such a short movie, sans titles and credits story would be 64 min

in that time they introduced so many characters, made a story, made a mystery, made danger, and resolved it all.

It was like watching a whole series of short stories, stories where all we get is the "middle bit", no start, no end. Through skillful writing we are led to figure all the starts and ends of scenes ourselves.

4 hobbits

[โ€“] Alamutjones@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Iโ€™m off to the market before returning to hibernate for the afternoon. Can I get anyone anything?

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[โ€“] bacon@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Beep Beep ๐Ÿšš
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[โ€“] StudChud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

May I please have a single plum floating in perfume served in a man's hat? ๐Ÿ™

[โ€“] bacon@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

๐Ÿ‘ƒ๐Ÿป๐ŸŒ๐Ÿ‘ƒ๐Ÿป
๐Ÿ‘ƒ๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘ƒ๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘ƒ๐Ÿป

๐Ÿ’‚๐Ÿป

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