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    Click here if you don't get it.I told it to power off. It rebooted to do updates. Once these updates were done, it powered off. Kinda like Windows. πŸ˜‚

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    [–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    Just a heads up, if you're on the 7040 mainboard, I needed to add this to the kernel command line on Debian 13 for reliable suspend/resume. Without it, the screen would just be grey sometimes and not resume

    amdgpu.dcdebugmask=0x10

    Edit: may also only affect the 2.8k display

    [–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Whelp you just described why it won't be the year of the Linux desktop.

    [–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I've never had a Windows laptop suspend correctly, so...

    I guess it's the year of the macOS desktop?

    [–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

    I've had Macbooks also fuck up their sleep state, only waking up after a full shutdown.

    Maybe the M-core series is better? I don't know, haven't tried any of those.

    [–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I have been soloing Linux for 5 years now.

    But tbh, I have had almost no issues regarding suspend/hibernate on Windows. On Linux, on the other hand... For starters, hibernate never worked for me.

    [–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    That's why I was saying macOS is really the only option if your definition of "year of" is suspend/resume reliability. It highly depends on the hardware for Linux/Windows

    The last two Windows laptops I've used (last 5 years), one wouldn't suspend correctly (in suspend, it wouldn't fully suspend and drained >5% battery/hour) and the other, on resume, couldn't play audio without restarting

    [–] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

    I have many older yet quite serviceable Macs (2015 or so) that I’ve been partitioning and trying out different distrosβ€”so far no issues whatsoever. I know I can get past Monterey (last OS version officially supported by Apple on these) using OpenCore but I really don’t like any of the MacOS versions past Monterey

    [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

    "suspend" is Microsoft corpo speak to say "turn off the screen and fans and use 100% of the CPU to install updates, user expects to have its battery depleted when he comes back"

    [–] anzo@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

    Depends on the distro... Bazzite.gg is ready for gamers and general users. I have MX Linux, version "ahs" had the drivers for my GPU, and hibernation works.

    [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Because suspend/resume is a feature so widely used I have went decades before seeing one person who actually cares about this one?

    [–] lightrush@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    Thanks! Unfortunately I'm on OG i5 with CMOS battery solder mod and all. 🫠

    [–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

    You walked so I could run πŸ™‚

    I loved the idea of the framework when it was announced, but I wanted to see a couple iterations proving out it was really going to be upgradable and repairable

    Loving it now

    [–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Debian getting an update? What wizardry is this? Oh wait it still has a 9 year old version of sqlite.

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)
    [–] justlemmyin@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)
    [–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I know you're joking but the fact that 2022 was 6 years ago is crazy to me. It don't feel like that at all

    [–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    2022-12-28 is actually about 2.6 years ago.

    [–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

    Shit, wrong timeline. I knew something felt off. Welp, back to the time machine…

    [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
    [–] chellomere@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    And that's for bookworm, which was released in June 2023.

    Trixie currently has, and will likely have, sqlite3 3.46.1, which was released 2024-08-13.

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Yeah, and I use trixie myself, but I think that it's reasonable to use Debian stable rather than Debian testing in response, because for Debian, "release" is when it enters stable.

    It is true that trixie is expected to become new stable within about two weeks, so we're right on the verge of a new release, but it still isn't out the door.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

    Debian has a major release once every 2 years or so. That is when packages get major version bumps. Until then the stable version only gets security and stability updates.

    [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    It's what pisses me off the most using Debian.

    Set a active directory server with samba on Debian and one day windows 11 machines couldn't login anymore.

    After hours of troubleshooting:

    ah yes this samba issue was fixed 3 years ago but you didn't get it because you're "stable"

    Honestly I have patched a few debian packages manually before. Sqlite in particular - I needed a new trigger feature so I built the damn thing from scratch and installed it.

    I think doing that probably caused some debian dev to literally die.

    [–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 19 points 1 week ago

    ALL MY HOMIES HATE UNATTENDED UPGRADES

    [–] muhyb@programming.dev 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I think that's because of systemd.

    [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Is that what we're going to do today, Kitty? We're going to fight?

    [–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Not here to fight (though this feels like a quote from somewhere). It's just how systemd handles things. Probably it's not the only reason for this, but I haven't seen this behaviour on systems with OpenRC.

    [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
    [–] muhyb@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Looks like a sitcom. Could you find a non age-restricted version perhaps? I cannot view this on Youtube or on Freetube. yt-dlp cannot download it either.

    [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Update yt-dlp maybe? Yt works just fine. Haven't tried freetube. It's just a bit from "That 70s Show"

    [–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    It's the latest version. The video is age-restricted for me and I don't have an account.

    [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    That's weird, I don't run into any age restrictions

    [–] muhyb@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Then it's most likely one of Google's shenanigans. I heard random restrictions were going on on Youtube but first time seeing it myself.

    [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

    Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that at all. Google is turning into a garbage heap

    [–] magitian@programming.dev 12 points 1 week ago

    Or in this case, the year of the Linux desktop after a couple of years πŸ˜‰

    [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    what desktop is that? fedora kde has separate options for shutdown and shutdown-and-update, same for reboot. I think it's a native plasma 6 feature, integrates with packagekit and systemd's special boot mode.

    untattended updates are good. except of course if you want to gatekeep hard, but let's pretend you do not. if the pros can easily turn it off there's absolutely no problems with it. and we can. but for real desktop systems, it needs to be on by default.

    [–] lightrush@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

    It's GNOME. It did tell me it's gonna do that upon choosing shutdown. So does Windows. πŸ˜‚

    [–] isaaclw@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

    I use debian 12, like OP.

    It has those separate options too.

    [–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

    Dunno. I’ve only used laptops in the last few years so I guess it’s just whoever now.

    [–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

    Framework ❀️

    [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

    this is why I use Arch.

    [–] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

    Except windows doesn't ever actually shut down after the reboot if you tell it to "update and shut down" lmao