Me when I realize survival means constantly fighting against entropy.
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the highly organized and artificial structures of capitalism aren’t entropy
People are like, "why is life so hard?!". When by life they really mean the cost of living, the division of labor, the lopsided allocation of capital, the perverse incentives, and the law that in many cases makes it outright illegal to help others or share things.
Edit: "life is hard" because your boss wants it that way.
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Especially when You realize, we are producing like twice what we need.
And that the majority of that output is being hoarded by those who already have far more than they can ever use.
Cries in 10+ hours a day, 6 days a week.
Just read an article on the 996 work schedule.
I was forced to do this terrible thing in order to not starve. Instead of doing anything about it, I think that we should make anyone who didn't suffer as much have to do that terrible thing in order to not starve. Otherwise they do not deserve it.
When hiking in a group of people travelling at unequal speeds, it is only reasonable to have everyone move at the pace of the fastest person. Otherwise it's Not Efficient.
(sarcasm disclaimer: this is sarcastic)
Exactly. I actually had a coworker say people didn't deserve free college education because he had to pay. So I guess no one should be allowed anything he wasn't allowed.
It's funny to me how some think this is some hidden knowledge. Yeah plenty know it sucks but also know that without work they won't eat
IMO, that's the problem. You have to earn a living. As in, you don't deserve one, you have to earn one.
It's not that you'll do without any nice-to-haves if you don't work, you'll do without everything if you don't work. You will literally starve and die.
That's what's fucked up to me. If you're just like, I don't want to work for a while.... Then GFL feeding yourself.
So anyways, I support UBI.
Before money existed you still had to earn your living. We had to hunt, build shelters, collect firewood, process animal skins and such. In modern times society as a whole could help each other out more but there are some issues with a ubi like corporations raising prices constantly to meet the new extra money supply.
I think a better solution would be state run essentials given out for free. Like food banks, free toiletries, social housing etc. You can work if you want better options than what is offered for free but you'll be able to get food and shelter at the very least even if you dont work. Housing reform as well to bring the cost of living down would let people work positions/hours they want to work instead of what they need to work to afford to survive.
like corporations raising prices constantly to meet the new extra money supply.
People always bring up this point but the idea that prices are an arbitrary number selected by sellers isn't actually how the economy works. Wealth confers actual agency and leverage. If you have a UBI which functions somehow as redistribution of wealth (ie. funded by taxes on the rich or collective ownership of natural resources rather than by printing more dollars), that is an actual increase in people's negotiating power on the market, companies can't just unilaterally undo it or make buyer's choices for them.
state run essentials given out for free
While this would be much better than nothing and is the better option in specific cases like healthcare where markets are non-functional, something like state housing for the poor is more subject to political backlash. Someone who isn't in state housing and doesn't want to be will likely see it as a drain on their resources going to the "other" and seek to chip away or put degrading restrictions on it, while with a UBI a majority of people would be directly made more financially secure in a more efficient and flexible way, so ongoing political support for it could come from all of them.
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I don't dislike the idea of state/government subsidies for essentials. Most of that is already in place for many first world countries, in some way, shape, or form.
The problem I have with it is that you need to qualify for the assistance. So you need this whole complicated application and approval system, oversight to ensure that it's not being taken advantage of, either by the would-be clients, nor the administrative staff managing it, and then that needs to go into paying for housing and whatnot for eligible people, and yatta yatta.
All of that overhead goes away with UBI. Everyone gets it. There's no disability, no employment insurance, no disability benefits, nothing. If you have citizenship, you get UBI. The amount of UBI deducts from your regular work earnings, so businesses, and the rich are paying the majority of the ubi payouts, and the system is both simplified and streamlined. If you lose your job, or you need to be out of work for a while due to sickness, injury or other issue, no problem, you still get UBI, and nothing changes. You don't need to apply for disability or short term medical benefits because you now can't work, because that amount is your UBI.
Additionally, UBI should be tied to the cost of living and/or inflation, as costs rise, so does UBI.
In this way, you dramatically lower the administrative costs and overhead from running such a program, and citizens have peace of mind that they will always be able to afford the basics. Mainly rent, and food.
The market provides all of that to them, rather than needing a complex and approval based benefit system to provide it instead.
It's so hard to describe how many government services would end up getting folded into UBI. The obvious ones are unemployment services and/or welfare, disability benefits, both for long term and short term disabilities any bursaries or grants given to people for short duration assistance. A huge segment of government work would no longer be needed. And yeah, some of those people will end up unemployed, some will shift over to UBI work.... To their benefit, all those freshly unemployed workers have UBI now, so they don't need to worry about applying for unemployment benefits, they just need to focus on finding new employment if they choose to.
I could rant about it all day. I'll stop here.
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Reject modernity, return to hunter-gatherer
Someone a long time ago estimated that in their future, automation will make us work much less. Guess what, it made us work more even tho the work that has to be done is less
People find ways to make more from less and then somehow optimize away the gained free time and then some. In that regard, farming was a pretty shit invention.
There's a percentage of jobs out there that even with layoffs, AI, and the rest, are not crucial to the operation and could be eliminated. Ask anyone who is the "main" worker while others do the minimum or less.
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Yeah but what about healthcare? Oh, wait. I can't afford healthcare anyway.
Move to remote island build your house by hand. Then live that lifestyle no electricity or running water. No modern technology or medicine. You can gather and hunt for food. Then you are only working to survive like the ancestors. This is easy to say but doing is entirely a different vibe.
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I guess you are joking, but I see this argument often and it really doesn't make any sense.
Not defending the multi billion dollars corporation and not denying that something seriously need to change on how we value our time, but hunters-gatherers would kill for an 8 hours job, probably sittinf down on a computer. They had to work the whole day, dawn to dusk, just to survive.
They had to work the whole day, dawn to dusk, just to survive.
I don't think that's true. At least the stuff I've read seems to show that about ~40 hours a week was pretty normal.
Don't get me wrong, there's good reasons to not want to go back to hunter-gatherer societies (the linked article goes into that), but raw hours worked isn't one of them.
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They've been bred to believe this makes you a great person. NOT doing it makes you lazy.
Only if you are poor....
Absolutely. It is a critical mechanism by which our culture encourages poor people to be angry at other poor people that they don't have more instead of at the people with ALL THE STUFF.
When anthropologists study people who still hunt and gather for their food (e.g., the Hadza), what they do more than anything is... nothing in particular. Not hunting, foraging, building, repairing weapons/clothing/housing, socializing, etc. just... chilling.
Their lives are incredibly hard and I wouldn't trade places with them, but the idea that the natural state of people is hustling is false. People hustled for their food, then rested once they had it. Some days they hunt from dawn to dusk, other days they found a beehive and chilled.
I do think a large part of the "wrong" part of this is due to the US(Lemmy?(Earlier: Reddit)) mindset that you should hate your coworkers for some reason.
I am fairly good friends with all my coworkers. Very good in some cases. I am with these people up to 8 hours a day, and I'm having a blast.
I don't think it's the concept of work that is the problem here. I might guess it's the culture that incenticed pushing those around you down to get a foot up
I think Americans often separate their work and personal lives.
Not because they dislike their coworkers, but the relationships with coworkers isn't safe.
Literally any random thing can get you fired in the US, and trusting your coworkers with personal info increases the chances of this a ton.
I can not afford to have personal relationships with my coworkers because if 1 wrong thing gets said i become homeless.
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This is a bit of a generalization. I've come away from work with some very good friends. But I've also been in the situation where socializing was specifically disincentivized. The work culture matters a lot; if you're micromanaged every minute of the day you're going to have a bad time. What you're describing sounds to me like more specifically corporate culture, and more in the executive realm than your average worker bee.
Perhaps it's trite to say so but if anything, the fact that so many people hate their job is above all an indictment of capitalism.
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I like my job and i like my coworkers. The number of hours and the way its scheduled is what drives me crazy. I'm basically on call but i don't get paid as such. In the future I'm gonna push for a 4 day work week and work slightly longer days.
the US(Lemmy?(Earlier: Reddit)) mindset that you should hate your coworkers for some reason.
This is a thing? Wild. I live in the US but I would not have thought that's a trope for us. I've never had a job where coworkers didn't love hanging out together after work.
I suppose that's the online origin shining through, perhaps written by more loner-types who may find sociable coworkers irritating. I get it, I've rarely been part of the in-group; but I can't deny that for every loner that hates their coworkers, there are many more that genuinely enjoy each other's company.
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I love work. I love the people I work with. I love putting out a product that is needed by the world.
I'm sorry that some hate their job.
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LoL, everyone realizes, but saddly, I need food to operate.
No no no. We know. We also know that there's SFA we can do about it because our government has long since been bought and paid for by the very same people who "generously" "give" us the opportunity to slave away generation profit for them and their shareholder friends, so they can be rich and get richer, while we barely scrape by with the scraps they convince us is from their generosity.
Government long since abandoned us, ever since the boomers stopped caring about unions, which is around the same time they were all making shitloads of money as senior management, and unions actually started to harm their ability to make more money.
Goodbye unions, goodbye decent working conditions and reasonable, transparent wage schedules. Goodbye to the middle class....
Shits fucked, we're all to busy fighting amongst ourselves, trying not to starve, and screaming over the Epstein files to figure out that we need to band together to fix this shit.
I know why you all want to see the Epstein shit, but here's a spoiler, pretty much everyone with any money, power, or influence, is on the fucking list, and if they're not, they should be, because they've been raping the rest of us for a good long time now.
It only feels wrong to me on every level, outside of that it is totally normal.
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