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Its a shame because they're prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don't understand the point of targeting a person you don't like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don't like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (49 children)

Good on the admins for not tolerating this.

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How many downvotes exactly are we talking about here?

Is it, like, two hundred? Or is it, like, ten?

Edit: Wait, what the fuck? I got bored and checked it more. How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban? As far as I can tell, literally the only thing the dude does is post about cool stuff and chat. I didn't even know he was active as a moderator in any real capacity.

checks profile to see if he actually did confess to mass-downvoting dozens of votes at some user or some other sin that, while objectively not "abusive," might have been at least arguably not ideal or something

One of the first things I found was:

The only reason it’s “Vote Blue no matter who” is because right now, in America’s FPTP system, the Dems are the only real alternative in most areas to the GOP. It’s a pithy saying, not a political essay. The lesson is not “LOYALTY TO COMRADE BIDEN”, but “Don’t throw your vote away on a symbolic action; preventing fascism is more important than virtue signaling to no one, especially since ballots are secret”

Ooooohhh.... oh. Oh.

Good fuckin' God man. dbzer0, we love you, quit trippin'. Just relax. Not everyone you don't like or agree with is "abusive."

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)
[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah. I missed some drama because I tend to avoid lemmy.world politics forums because they are unbearable. Point taken.

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[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

drama-free of all possible Lemmy users

That's... not how I would describe the user.

They're banned from blahaj lemmy for repeated and ongoing gatekeeping and they've got a mile long modlog...

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 28 points 1 week ago (25 children)

Specifically, he said (among other similar things):

There's an argument to be made for neopronouns in the following cases: - People who don't like 'They' as singular - People who believe there should be a neopronoun(s) that is not simply neutral/neuter, but explicitly for NB identities To the first, I will die on this grammatical hill, but I also acknowledge that it's a matter of taste. If you want to push for Xe/Xim or whichever as gender-neutral-singular, that's fine, and I'll respect your pronouns, but I really do think that 'they' is perfectly serviceable as-is and we should just expand usage of it. If the cultural zeitgeist goes against it, though, it's whatever, if Xe/Xim becomes the new norm, I'll swap to Xe/Xim. To the second, I understand the argument, but I find it non-intuitive. I'll respect the pronouns of people who want a dozen different new pronouns added to the lexicon, but I'll also vehemently argue against the practice. Pronouns are meant to streamline communication, and gendered language itself is something of a relict.

"Gatekeeping." Ban.

This whole thing is stupid. I don't even want to step into or bring up the other big relevant issue that caused strife because it's even stupider than that.

You guys are fuckin' with this guy because he did downvoting, and because he expressed what overall sounded to me like pretty reasonable opinions honestly.

People aren't hating on you here. It's fine. You don't have to turn everyone into an enemy.

[–] scintilla@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

am I misunderstanding the definition of gatekeeping? It sounds like he doesn't like neo-pronouns because the complicate language and he sees them as pointless but will still use them?

Is from when blajah was bending over backwards to defend drag?

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Drag is banned from blahaj. Gatekeeping people's identities and pronouns is still against the rules.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Gatekeeping is when you don't think what I want you to, so I have to remove you from my community because you didn't think what I wanted you to (edit: means YOU were gatekeeping, obviously, in case somehow it wasn't clear)

Abuse is when you downvote people I say you can't downvote

Ban is okay though, for someone I say it's okay for. That's not abuse like downvotes are. Obviously.

Get with the program

/s

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Over the freaking Drag troll issue. You'll forgive us if not everybody shares the same opinion of who's creating the drama in that particular case.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Drag, as in someone who is also banned from Blahaj? 🤨

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Ada's idea of gatekeeping includes using "you" as a pronoun.

The other reply here, from the name I will not type, is by an instance-hopping / ban-evading spam goblin who posts right-wing propaganda and pretends he's just a curious lil leftist who thinks it's neat-o.

This whole thing is an ESH that may extend to everyone commenting, including me.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

dbzer0, we love you,

Speak for yourself. I've got no love for AI-bros.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wth is going on with the db0 instance? Db0 the guy seems very chill and understanding, at least in the posts I've seen.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Db0 is still very chill and understanding. Seems like the person reported here is having a hard time recently

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49556709/20248126

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[–] JASN_DE@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why did you feel the need to censor the user name? You know the modlog is public?

[–] MonsterBug@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mostly trying to abide by the somewhat imprecise rules of the community as a formality.

When posting screenshots of drama, you must obscure the identity of all the participants.

I have to 'obscure the identity of the participant in the screenshot' in this context meaning blurring usernames, sure no problem. Nobody ever said anything about obscuring non- personally identifying information sources - like the community the modlog came from - that interested people can go out of their way to track down.

[–] JASN_DE@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago

Huh. Yeah, makes sense.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Dbzer0 mods temp banned me for trolling recently. I was actually taken aback because on Reddit my sarcasm would be pretty mild. Can't argue with the premise, glad our mods are trying to make Lemmy less toxic and I learned a valuable lesson actually. Just disengage and move on.

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[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (5 children)

May be this (emphasis mine):

Removed Comment
Me: "Oh look, the ghost said something stupid again. I wonder what they've been up to." [clicks profile] [sure enough, more stupid things are said, including blatant misinformation] Sorry that you say stupid things and break the rules, I guess? > I recall a few weeks back he said that because I don’t call out .ml that much (funny how he ignores me calling out Hexbear) I somehow must mass downvote his posts across lemmy. lol I'm sure you can quote me. It would be awful if your memory was as poor as your ability to construct coherent arguments. AND a place of honor in your bio? That's unironically great. Thanks for helping spread me all over the Fediverse!

Maybe the admin misread? Or they read that and then actually checked the data and found PJ did downvote all that other users stuff or smthn.

I tried to take a short look at the data but PJ has over 150k votes which probably breaks the page I use. (Admins can natively see this info in lemmy)

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[–] Canyon201@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

this JOKER made a community to WHINE about their Ls

edit because i forgot to post the LINK!

https://piefed.social/c/fediverseslander

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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Prominent is certainly a choice of words

I wouldnt be surprised if he was the source of the majority if mod reports the last few days - some time off would do him good.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm not really seeing any receipts, so I'm going to have to go with "power tripping admins abusing power" on this one.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly, if you look at the receipts, it's even worse. It's a pattern of instance admins harassing this guy, banning him, and then accusing him of being abusive somehow to them (by, for example, using his downvote button) and also telling people he's a piece of shit.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It’s a pattern of instance admins harassing this guy

Someone should really ask for receipts on this one.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm banned from 11 communities on blahaj instance and 2 communities on feddit instance so I can't comment or vote on stuff there but I also don't see media posts made by users from those instances on other communities.

Reason for bans were vague, no particular comments or posts of mine was pointed out, and I've got no response when I asked for clarification.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Blahaj is probably blocked in your country, mine and another friend has the same issue. Feddit blocks large swathes of Asia and maybe some other parts of the world sadly, but the admin told me they'll fix it... Soon.

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[–] squid64@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

While I think lemmy is great compared to reddit I still don't like the whole upvote and downvote system. As it's mostly based on people who agree with something and they will downvote you if they disagree with you. There should just be commends and replies to comments imo. At least downvoted posts don't get hidden from view I guess.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I disagree with you. I'd never want to go back to the old defaults in forums, of un-threaded conversations where every comment is equal (and generally sorted by timestamp). Some comments are just better than others, and a user interface should prioritize the better comments.

Comments that are interesting, funny, or informative can be read by more people when they're shown earlier in the page.

Comments that are rude, factually incorrect, off topic, etc., can be de-emphasized in the user interface, even if they don't technically break any rules. I'd rather it be a community driven decision than a mod-driven decision of the harsh consequences of comment removal or user ban.

The key is to find a community whose collective opinions you respect. Crowds may not be perfect, but they're generally better than individual mods.

And a naive "newest first" sort algorithm just prioritizes frequent posters and incentivizes "bumping" threads, which also detracts from the overall quality of a forum.

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[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Oh, yeah I think I argued with that guy when I was drunk once. Coolio

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