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Working in a company without a union (infosec.pub)
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[–] troed@fedia.io 56 points 1 week ago (3 children)

While a meme, yes. I'm an ex-boss and I'll happily verify that HR works for the company. The function is, "within what the company needs, keep employees happy and content", sure - but at the slightest conflict between company needs and HR needs it's the company needs that matter.

This isn't really supposed to be a secret, but I think we don't talk about it openly enough since every time a discussion like this pops up I see people who have misunderstood the function of HR.

... now what might be a bit more of a secret is how closely companies work together with the unions. Let's just say I've never seen any real union pushback.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think its not a secret but its just not how HR is presented to employees. Its presented as the group where you go when you have a problems with someone. Unfortunately HR may see the person complaining as the problem if its in the companys best interest.

I have never went to HR and never will. They tend to have very fake employees in that group as well. People who act like they are friendly but they wont back you up when needed.

As a manager you have a better chance of getting what you want from HR since you are more important to the company.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 21 points 1 week ago

Let’s just say I’ve never seen any real union pushback.

The places that pushed back got retaliatory outsourced and automated until pushback stopped.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Depending on the company/the department, it's also a goal to avoid legal trouble. Which can sometimes benefit the employee, but if HR is acting in your benefit there's a decent chance you could have sued the company

[–] troed@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's mostly a US thing though I think? Over here in Europe the concept of suing your company is practically non-existent. Your recourse is through the legal system regardless of any HR actions.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

America uses lawsuits because there is no legal system around workers rights. Best we can do is sue for damages and hope there is something left over after lawyer fees.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My company is 13 people big. HR is the wife of the owner/president/CEO. 💀

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds bad, but really isn't that much worse than typical HR, who will rat you out to the CEO in a heartbeat.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. HR at my work doesn't know how to do anything other than payroll. I had to set up short term disability because I had surgery and it took like a month for me to get it handled. I was totally on my own because HR knew nothing and didn't even give me the right phone number for the disability insurance folks. -_-

But don't worry, she'll come yell at you like you're 5 if she thinks you're goofing off.

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like a fun work environment!

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Totally. I work entirely from home now because of it. Used my chronic illness to escape the bad vibes

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 1 points 1 week ago

I worked at a 40 person company. Wife was the CEO, her boyfriend of a decade became the "CTO" because he was an unemployed mechanic.

I just took my pay and waited for the company to fail.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I work in a union and this shit happens there too.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unions are great and a bad union is better than no union (imo) but if people go into a union job thinking all the problems with modern work culture will be solved by it they'll just walk away jaded and disappointed.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Agreed. It's very helpful, and useful, but it doesn't turn work into some magic utopia. People are still people.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah im unionized and realized that the union is there to keep the peace between the boss and workers, not actually do anything if the worker is being abused. Having said that, union all the way, i would take this shit over my old non union job any day

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Right? Like at least I have SOME kind of defense.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

In many situations the union is a good way to put more pressure on the boss. Yes, the boss can still do something shady, but the consequences are likely to be more significant.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well it depends on the union and it depends on local laws. But some of them are international.

Unions don't prevent companies being crap in my experience but at a certain point they step in and yell at them for being crap. You still have to put up with HR being ridiculous, being incomprehensibly corrupt is practically part of the job description.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s why you hire a redhead dude named Toby to run HR

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

NO. GOD NO. NO GOD PLEASE NO. NO. NO. NOO.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Bravo