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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by angrynomad to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I find it ironic on a free speech platform that access to a community about censorship is censored https://exploding-heads.com/c/censorship

What exactly is wrong with this instance to be defederated? In browsing it, I see nothing hateful

Or did they defederate from this instance, so you cant view/post on it. Not sure if I completely understand how that works yet

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The Lemmy software is intended to be somewhat censorship resistant, but that does not mean that lemmy.ml is a "free speech platform".

Like most instances, lemmy.ml has rules (they're in the sidebar on the front page) and we regularly delete posts and comments which violate them.

That instance you're talking about is intended to be a "free speech platform", which in modern internet parlance is a synonym for "nazi bar". One of the two admins of that instance says explicitly: “racism, bigotry, sexism is allowed".

Most Lemmy users aren't into racism, bigotry, sexism, and the other things people there are into, so, most Lemmy instances have defederated them.

I hope this answers your question!

[–] angrynomad -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So essentially it's highly censored to defederate them. Not only you can't view them using a different instance and post, but registering there, you can only interact with their instance. Lemmy needs a better method. I was thinking about this the other day, why is something as simple as blocking content on the users end or blocking x type of content not an option, even on registration. Even if there's hate speech mixed in, freedom of speech should exist, but freedom to not hear it, should also exist. Essentially shadow banning, but done by choice of those who don't want to hear said content.

Racism, bigotry, and sexism, exist in everyone. Maybe there's just better ways to express it, or not to. But it's cultural, people want to be with their culture, their people. When you force people to 'accept' everyone, they lose their Identity.

I really don't think Lemmy will survive as everyone will be afraid of getting cancelled and defederated.

[–] Anonymoose 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm new here myself but as I understand it, defederation essentially separates that instance from the rest of the "lemmy-verse" by not allowing users created on that instance to interact and post to other lemmy instances.

You can still go to exploding heads and create a user there to post within that space. That user just won't be able to interact with other lemmy instances that don't federate to it. Maybe it's less censorship and more of a refusal to associate with certain content.

Someone more knowledgeable please feel free to correct any errors, lol.

[–] angrynomad 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I tried going to https://infosec.pub/c/censorship@exploding-heads.com and it was empty except one post. shortly after I posted this it looked like their whole instance went offline though. something is glitching, sometimes I can see all the posts when reloading, but usually not

[–] Anonymoose 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Additionally, since your account is lemmy.ml , you need to creating an account on exploding heads to interact and post new content to that censorship community ( I THINK ), since they no longer federate.

[–] angrynomad 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm on infosec.pub because I couldn't get registration working anywhere. I really don't think Lemmy will survive because of how convoluted it is.

I don't want to have to maintain multiple accounts or figure out how to get to the exploding heads url. A normal user just wants one account to "just work".

Hell, I can never even remember my own instances url

See my other post in this thread https://infosec.pub/comment/488302

Seeing the linking url I'm even more confused to this, I thought I posted on asklemny@lemmy.ml, so everything I post really is tied to my origin instance

[–] Anonymoose 1 points 2 years ago

That I'm not sure of, it must have something to do with where the originating account is from and the interaction with how it's posted to a different Lemmy instance. Maybe when you post on a different instance, your original instance hosts the content and links it on the outside one? Something to dig into for sure.

Yeah Lemmy isn't perfect, I doubt it'll reach the levels reddit is at in terms of users. I do see the appeal in smaller niche communities, sort of like the old school forums that are still around but much more interconnected.

[–] Anonymoose 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Infosec.pub is the lemmy instance where I created my account and is different than the exploding heads instance. If you want to see that content, go to https://exploding-heads.com/c/censorship

[–] angrynomad 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

right, but you cant interact unless you create an account there, thus fragmenting the 'fediverse'

[–] Anonymoose 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't see it any differently than a subreddit being banned, at least those users still keep whatever content and community they created. Defederation is just a moderation tool. At the very least, it appears there is consensus among admins and user polls in some instances before defedersting.

[–] angrynomad 1 points 2 years ago

Well ,if your home instance is defederated, you're essentially blocked from another instance, not just a community.

It's no small thing to defederate, beehaw has many communities, all not accessible across Lemmy now

[–] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You’re always free to create an account there. Or host your own instance and federate with whoever you want :-)

[–] angrynomad 1 points 2 years ago

But then if I federate with them I risk being defederated, or if I decide I don't want to pay for hosting anymore. I also don't want multiple accounts.

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