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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 174 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That should really not be legal. Without knowing their names, how can the defendants know if the prosecutors have conflicts of interest or are even legally allowed to practice law?

[–] maniclucky@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago

Feels like there should be an argument about facing one's accuser in here somewhere.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That should really not be legal.

It shouldn't be allowed, but unfortunately the immigration court system has always been fucked.

Immigration courts don't operate under Article 3. They're run by the DOJ and the AG. I probably don't have to say much more there. It's always been awful, but given the current administration you can assume that it'll be even worse than usual.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 93 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which Judges are enabling. Wrath should come down on the judges until they change their mind.

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 68 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“Judges”

I say that in “scare quotes” because they are literally not judges and it is not a court. They are not part of the judicial branch. They are bureaucrats of the ~~administrative~~ Executive branch that started cosplaying a couple decades ago to project an impression of legitimacy and finality.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Correct, but I think you meant Executive branch, not "administrative branch." Immigration judges work directly for the Executive branch under the DoJ and thus take their orders directly from Trump. Essentially, they are ICE in dresses rather than body armor and masks. Though I imagine the next step will be for them to also put on masks and to redact their names from all the filings and rulings so that they will never face the wrath they so richly deserve.

Whoops! Slip of the thumb. Thanks for catching that. I was thinking “administrators of the Executive branch” and it morphed before I got it out.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 57 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

they know they will be hunted eventually

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

cant wait for the democrats to get into power again so they can... pardon ICE and bury all the records and evidence to protect them from doxing, and punish ICE by rising their budget...

[–] the_tab_key@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

thats the spirit! remember to not vote again next time

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Voting is far from the solution. it's just a tiny part of what you have to do. join mutual aids, organise, unionise, protests, boycott, and above all solidarity.

meat is back in the menu

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They are hiding their names because they know what they are doing is illegal or unconstitutional and they fear retribution or prosecution. She is young, the fascists will be gone before the end of her life, and she knows the reformers will be coming for her.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 41 points 2 weeks ago

Brave men and women of law and order don't need to hide in shame. They know what they're doing.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Oh neat. Nothing a little FOIA Can't remedy.

Your name is required to be printed on the court's reported meeting minutes. Its our tax dollars at work 😁

I mean shit. The support person DMing their coworker in Slack about the judges inability to use zoom is documented and FOIAable. You can't hide in the courtroom.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, Cosette Shachnow (the attorney here who attempted to hide her identity) left it on her LinkedIn that she works for ICE. We can't always count on them to be that stupid, but critical thinking really doesn't come naturally to Nazis.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Damn that's one eastern Europe Jewish last name if I ever saw one. "Never again" and all that. Hypocritical as usual.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm unsure if this falls under the purview and rules of a courtroom. ICE has their own laws: None.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Immigration court is court.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not entirely. Immigration courts and judges are run by the Chief Immigration Judge who is appointed by the Attorney General who works under the Executive branch. They are not part of the Judicial branch.

Immigration Court is formally known as the Executive Office of Immigration Review. This is a department within the Department of Justice. Immigration Judges are appointment by the Attorney General and are not federal judicial branch judges.

Trump has in fact ordered the immigration judges to dismiss immigration cases as soon as the lawyers them to so ICE can arrest people more quickly, and they are doing it. Well, the ones he hasn't already fired are doing it.

Trump has his own private police force and court system.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

That really has nothing to do with the fact that immigration court is, as I said, court.

And meeting minutes are logged and FOIA-able.

Not sure what you're going on about.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We now have another "it could never happen here" bingo ball.

Remember when a secret court found Hilary guilty of whatever? Secret courts have been a favorite of right wing conspiracy theorists for a long time.

Now we are one step closer. Lawyers for the government are standing before judges without any as accountability because they aren't giving their names.

Any judge should hold them in contempt and file a disbarment petition with the bar association if this happens on their watch.

Secret lawyers are a step closer to secret courts. But for real. Not the conspiracies that we used to laugh at.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago

Any judge should hold them in contempt and file a disbarment petition with the bar association if this happens on their watch.

Holding the lawyer in contempt and in jail unless and until they're willing to name themselves openly for the record would be fine. I really like the idea of contempt meaning jail for obstructive behaviour, because it's a "time out" for entitled adults.

This isn't Twitter; it's court. Rot in a cell or state your name for the permanent record.

[–] RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a website dedicated to unmasking ice agents

https://icelist.is/

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Nice touch using an Icelandic domain.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

ICE know what they are doing is poorly received.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More like they know there will be trials for this

[–] match@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

document them, they are afraid

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

What does this tell you about what they think about what they're doing?

[–] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

if they don't put their names on official court documents to justify their legality of who is putting it in writing and enforcing unjust laws, then the papers shouldn't move past the first desk.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

Why not just cover their face with special military tactical black cloth face covers like their hunters?

[–] darkmogool@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yes… Dehumanizing the victims of ICE makes deportation easier…

Soon they are tattooing the numbers on the them…

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

“I scurred.”