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[–] FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee 174 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They want it to be difficult to cancel. Shit like this should be illegal.

[–] Maestro@kbin.social 48 points 2 years ago

In a lot of places, it is. They have laws requiring the ability to unsubscribe using the same method/medium as you subscribe.

[–] PurpleTentacle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was made illegal in the EU years ago.

The rule is pretty simple: you have to be able to cancel a subscription the same way you signed up for it. If you used the Internet to sign up there better be a fucking button that allows you to cancel.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

And California, which is like the EU of the US when it comes to consumer protection and privacy laws

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 103 points 2 years ago (1 children)

California in the US has a law that says if you signed up online you have to be able to cancel online. The rest of us need that law.

[–] johntash@eviltoast.org 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It doesn't work on every website, but sometimes you can change your address to be in California and then magically a cancel button will appear.

[–] dan@upvote.au 2 points 2 years ago

This is still the case with the New York Times. Change your billing address to a Californian one and it'll let you cancel online.

[–] willybe@lemmy.ca 83 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Pro tip, tell them you want to end your subscription immediately. Don't say anything, awkward silence. When they ask an another question to goud you into staying repeat the first statement. If they ask rando questions, silence.

They give up in under a minute. Be polite but obstinate.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“No thank you, I’d like to cancel immediately.” Rinse repeat

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Them: Can I ask why you're cancelling? Me: No.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 years ago

tbf how can you resist stating the reason for cancelling as there not being a cancel button? that's too juicy to pass up.

[–] Twitchy1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

Use a service like privacy.com. Cancel the card they charge monthly... no phone call needed. Added benefit is if the vendor is compromised there is no loss...the cards can be locked to only allow charges from 1 business. Steal the credit card info... can't use it anywhere else.

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't know how well it would work in practice, but every time I see something like this, the darker, more childish part of my brain wants me to send a human shit to them in the post, with a note saying "Thank you for subscribing to Post-me-a-poo (Daily)! To cancel your subscription, please add a 'Cancel Subscription' button to your website!".

[–] Assassin4@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Excellent idea though I imagine you might get in trouble for sending biohazards by post!

[–] brap@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Maybe this is a little European, but just cancel the Direct Debit or block the recurring payment with your bank?

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That would make you default on the payment and they'll pass it to debt collection. Only do this if you reasonably tried everything else (and documented your attempts) before using that option.

[–] brap@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe rules are again different, but a simple subscription here wouldn’t cause a default as there was no credit agreement. Interesting to see how things differ.

[–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 2 years ago

wouldn’t cause a default as there was no credit agreement

It probably depends on if the bill is post-paid or pre-paid. If it's post paid (for example, you pay at the end of the month for services provided during that month), then you do have a credit agreement.

[–] enki@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Yup, this is why you should always sign up using a credit card, never your debit card or bank. You can issue a chargeback online pretty easily with most credit card companies these days, it won't affect your credit, and the money never leaves your bank account.

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago

Australia is moving to a pay management system like this soon but as of right now this shit is still valid.

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 years ago

Of course. It's a Murdoch newspaper they're the shittiest of shit tier capitalists.

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago

I had a local paper do this to me a few years ago. Turns out I can ask my credit card provider to block payments to them at 2am on a Saturday and I still get access to the paper for another two months.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it reall ought to be illegal to not be able to cancel a service on the same interface and ease at which its joined.

[–] max@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I believe it is, in European countries at least.

[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup. Cancelling a subscription has to be just as easy as singing up for it.

Source: am eu citizen

[–] wipasoda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

so apparently it only applies to companies located in the EU? not operating in the EU, since I'm in the EU and no button

[–] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Working as intended

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

If you can help it - sign up for nothing with a direct bank withdrawal or debit card. Use a credit card, because it puts an important barrier between you and your purchases. It's way easier to get help with stuff for credit cards, and it's easier to cancel than getting a new bank account. Bonus: charge backs punish these assholes.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Dear everyone: please educate yourself on the beautiful treasure that is Privacy.com. I never sign up for any subscription without it now. I do not miss all the bullshit and you won't either.

[–] RogueSensei@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It's not that it's too difficult, but having it this way is more inconvenient to the customer leaving them less inclined to make the call. Scummy behaviour all around.

[–] megaman@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago

My local newspaper had this, i changed my credit card to a fake card number that developers use for testing.

Now i can physical mail every two months saying they cant properly charge my card.

So theyve spent $10+ on mailing me after I paid my $2 promo rate to them

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

laughs in blocked charges and chargebacks

[–] Resolved3874@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago

I made an account on a news site once just to test Firefox relay and my custom domain. Can't for the life of me figure out how to delete the account. Had to set relay to just block all the emails. To the tube of like 400.... In less than a month

[–] nathris@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can increase my cellphone plan with the click of a button.

If I want to decrease it that same button redirects to a live chat where I have to talk to one of their agents.

Their agents will genuinely give you a better deal, but for some reason can't change your plan to a lesser one without breaking your contract, causing hundreds of dollars in extra fees.

The brick and mortar agents can do it in 2 minutes with no hassle. You walk in and say I want this plan, show your id, sign the change request and you're done.

I don't even think they are doing it on purpose. Why would they have a button that connects me to someone they are paying to convince me to give them less money per month? They cut my wife's bill in half because she is month to month.

It's just Hanlons Razor. Supreme incompetence.

[–] H1jAcK@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But it's not Hanlon's Razor, it is absolutely malicious. They want to make the process complicated and frustrating so you give up.

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[–] LemonDrop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just try getting your card removed from Adobe

[–] wipasoda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just cancelled the automatic payment from paypal. Should do the job. If I stop paying, then they can't shove their service down my throat and claim I should pay. That's the plan...

[–] LemonDrop@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I had to get a new credit card replacement. That sums it all. Yes, I called support, and they did not help either.

technically, it actually is a little hard. But also, the product owner who decides what buttons get made has to justify the value it adds to his/her superiors. And they to thier bosses... And anyone along that line of decision makers can kill it because they care more about money than people. And they don't even have to actually decide to kill it, just create an environment where the people below know they should be focusing on top value things only.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

For some reason the preview for the image on this post is a bunch of colorful squares.

[–] Skater2065@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

try zooming out more. I find that when zoomed in too far, all of it looks like colourful squares! ;)

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

You're viewing reality objectively again.