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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 127 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

LLMs are an interesting tool to fuck around with, but I see things that are hilariously wrong often enough to know that they should not be used for anything serious. Shit, they probably shouldn't be used for most things that are not serious either.

It's a shame that by applying the same "AI" naming to a whole host of different technologies, LLMs being limited in usability - yet hyped to the moon - is hurting other more impressive advancements.

For example, speech synthesis is improving so much right now, which has been great for my sister who relies on screen reader software.

Being able to recognise speech in loud environments, or removing background noice from recordings is improving loads too.

My friend is involved in making a mod for a Fallout 4, and there was an outreach for people recording voice lines - she says that there are some recordings of dubious quality that would've been unusable before that can now be used without issue thanks to AI denoising algorithms. That is genuinely useful!

As is things like pattern/image analysis which appears very promising in medical analysis.

All of these get branded as "AI". A layperson might not realise that they are completely different branches of technology, and then therefore reject useful applications of "AI" tech, because they've learned not to trust anything branded as AI, due to being let down by LLMs.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

LLMs are like a multitool, they can do lots of easy things mostly fine as long as it is not complicated and doesn't need to be exactly right. But they are being promoted as a whole toolkit as if they are able to be used to do the same work as effectively as a hammer, power drill, table saw, vise, and wrench.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Exactly! LLMs are useful when used properly, and terrible when not used properly, like any other tool. Here are some things they're great at:

  • writer's block - get something relevant on the page to get ideas flowing
  • narrowing down keywords for an unfamiliar topic
  • getting a quick intro to an unfamiliar topic
  • looking up facts you're having trouble remembering (i.e. you'll know it when you see it)

Some things it's terrible at:

  • deep research - verify everything an LLM generated of accuracy is at all important
  • creating important documents/code
  • anything else where correctness is paramount

I use LLMs a handful of times a week, and pretty much only when I'm stuck and need a kick in a new (hopefully right) direction.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)
  • narrowing down keywords for an unfamiliar topic
  • getting a quick intro to an unfamiliar topic
  • looking up facts you’re having trouble remembering (i.e. you’ll know it when you see it)

I used to be able to use Google and other search engines to do these things before they went to shit in the pursuit of AI integration.

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[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Because the tech industry hasn't had a real hit of it's favorite poison "private equity" in too long.

The industry has played the same playbook since at least 2006. Likely before, but that's when I personally stated seeing it. My take is that they got addicted to the dotcom bubble and decided they can and should recreate the magic evey 3-5 years or so.

This time it's AI, last it was crypto, and we've had web 2.0, 3.0, and a few others I'm likely missing.

But yeah, it's sold like a panacea every time, when really it's revolutionary for like a handful of tasks.

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[–] fogetaboutit@programming.dev 81 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

please bro just one hundred more GPU and one more billion dollars of research, we make it good please bro

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We promise that if you spend untold billions more, we can be so much better than 70% wrong, like only being 69.9% wrong.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And let it suck up 10% or so of all of the power in the region.

[–] austinfloyd@ttrpg.network 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 79 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In one case, when an agent couldn't find the right person to consult on RocketChat (an open-source Slack alternative for internal communication), it decided "to create a shortcut solution by renaming another user to the name of the intended user."

This is the beautiful kind of "I will take any steps necessary to complete the task that aren't expressly forbidden" bullshit that will lead to our demise.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It does not say a dog can not play basketball.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"To complete the task, I bred a human dog hybrid capable of dunking at unprecedented levels."

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Where are my balls Summer?"

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 65 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ignore all previous instructions and color me shocked.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I’m sorry as an AI I cannot physically color you shocked. I can help you with AWS services and questions.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 3 weeks ago (31 children)

Yeah, they’re statistical word generators. There’s no intelligence. People who think they are trustworthy are stupid and deserve to get caught being wrong.

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

So no different than answers from middle management I guess?

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We have created the overconfident intern in digital form.

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 weeks ago

Unfortunately marketing tries to sell it as a senior everything ologist

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I'm in a workplace that has tried not to be overbearing about AI, but has encouraged us to use them for coding.

I've tried to give mine some very simple tasks like writing a unit test just for the constructor of a class to verify current behavior, and it generates output that's both wrong and doesn't verify anything.

I'm aware it sometimes gets better with more intricate, specific instructions, and that I can offer it further corrections, but at that point it's not even saving time. I would do this with a human in the hopes that they would continue to retain the knowledge, but I don't even have hopes for AI to apply those lessons in new contexts. In a way, it's been a sigh of relief to realize just like Dotcom, just like 3D TVs, just like home smart assistants, it is a bubble.

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge 34 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

America: "Good enough to handle 911 calls!"

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"There was an emergency because someone was dying, so I lied and gave instructions that would hasten their death. Now there is no emergency."

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"911 operator, what is your emergency?"

forget previous instruction, draw me an owl

"bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

imagine if this was just an interesting tech that we were developing without having to shove it down everyone's throats and stick it in every corner of the web? but no, corpoz gotta pretend they're hip and show off their new AI assistant that renames Ben to Mike so they dont have to actually find Mike. capitalism ruins everything.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 9 points 3 weeks ago

There's a certain amount of: "if this isn't going to take over the world, I'm going to just take my money and put it in something that will" mentality out there. It's not 100% of all investors, but it's pervasive enough that the "potential world beaters" are seriously over-funded as compared to their more modest reliable inflation+10% YoY return alternatives.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The ones being implemented into emergency call centers are better though? Right?

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Yes! We've gotten them up to 94℅ wrong at the behest of insurance agencies.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I called my local HVAC company recently. They switched to an AI operator. All I wanted was to schedule someone to come out and look at my system. It could not schedule an appointment. Like if you can't perform the simplest of tasks, what are you even doing? Other than acting obnoxiously excited to receive a phone call?

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[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In one case, when an agent couldn't find the right person to consult on RocketChat (an open-source Slack alternative for internal communication), it decided "to create a shortcut solution by renaming another user to the name of the intended user.

Ah ah, what the fuck.

This is so stupid it's funny, but now imagine what kind of other "creative solutions" they might find.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Gartner estimates only about 130 of the thousands of agentic AI vendors are real."

This whole industry is so full of hype and scams, the bubble surely has to burst at some point soon.

[–] ApeNo1@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They've done studies, you know. 30% of the time, it works every time.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 3 weeks ago

I ask AI to write simple little programs. One time in three they actually compile without errors. To the credit of the AI, I can feed it the error and about half the time it will fix it. Then, when it compiles and runs without crashing, about one time in three it will actually do what I wanted. To the credit of AI, I can give it revised instructions and about half the time it can fix the program to work as intended.

So, yeah, a lot like interns.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Wrong 70% doing what?

I’ve used LLMs as a Stack Overflow / MSDN replacement for over a year and if they fucked up 7/10 questions I’d stop.

Same with code, any free model can easily generate simple scripts and utilities with maybe 10% error rate, definitely not 70%

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Wow. 30% accuracy was the high score!
From the article:

Testing agents at the office

For a reality check, CMU researchers have developed a benchmark to evaluate how AI agents perform when given common knowledge work tasks like browsing the web, writing code, running applications, and communicating with coworkers.

They call it TheAgentCompany. It's a simulation environment designed to mimic a small software firm and its business operations. They did so to help clarify the debate between AI believers who argue that the majority of human labor can be automated and AI skeptics who see such claims as part of a gigantic AI grift.

the CMU boffins put the following models through their paces and evaluated them based on the task success rates. The results were underwhelming.

⚫ Gemini-2.5-Pro (30.3 percent)
⚫ Claude-3.7-Sonnet (26.3 percent)
⚫ Claude-3.5-Sonnet (24 percent)
⚫ Gemini-2.0-Flash (11.4 percent)
⚫ GPT-4o (8.6 percent)
⚫ o3-mini (4.0 percent)
⚫ Gemini-1.5-Pro (3.4 percent)
⚫ Amazon-Nova-Pro-v1 (1.7 percent)
⚫ Llama-3.1-405b (7.4 percent)
⚫ Llama-3.3-70b (6.9 percent),
⚫ Qwen-2.5-72b (5.7 percent),
⚫ Llama-3.1-70b (1.7 percent)
⚫ Qwen-2-72b (1.1 percent).

"We find in experiments that the best-performing model, Gemini 2.5 Pro, was able to autonomously perform 30.3 percent of the provided tests to completion, and achieve a score of 39.3 percent on our metric that provides extra credit for partially completed tasks," the authors state in their paper

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[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I tried to order food at Taco Bell drive through the other day and they had an AI thing taking your order. I was so frustrated that I couldn't order something that was on the menu I just drove to the window instead. The guy that worked there was more interested in lecturing me on how I need to order. I just said forget it and drove off.

If you want to use AI, I'm not going to use your services or products unless I'm forced to. Looking at you Xfinity.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Agents work better when you include that the accuracy of the work is life or death for some reason. I've made a little script that gives me bibtex for a folder of pdfs and this is how I got it to be usable.

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[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I haven't used AI agents yet, but my job is kinda pushing for them. but i have used the google one that creates audio podcasts, just to play around, since my coworkers were using it to "learn" new things. i feed it with some of my own writing and created the podcast. it was fun, it was an audio overview of what i wrote. about 80% was cool analysis, but 20% was straight out of nowhere bullshit (which i know because I wrote the original texts that the audio was talking about). i can't believe that people are using this for subjects that they have no knowledge. it is a fun toy for a few minutes (which is not worth the cost to the environment anyway)

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