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Boomers set up this world where only a college degree mattered, then they tore that world down.
Do whatever you want, kids. We're all totally F'ed anyhow.
They just required it for racist reasons.
Ding ding ding!
HBCUs didn't just appear for fun. They were founded to address segregation in higher education.
considering how bad the tech job market is right now? Completely worthless.
Different tech. It’s my understanding this is being used interchangeably with what many people know as “trade schools”
Is it really? Also I've had a tech job for 20 years and my degree is not in the field. I didn't need a degree. Many of my colleagues are self-taught developers. I didn't know that tech jobs were so hard to come by now.
The data I've seen is that it's mainly bad on the entry level
But this is focused on comparing college degree outcomes in entry level rather than degree + non-degree. Also the longer term studies that consider career outcomes degree vs trade vs non-degree/trade certifications long term regardless of career path
I've been job hunting for almost 2 full years now, can barely get interviews. I put out 30-50 app's a week.
9 years IT experience between helpdesk, field work, desktop support, and cyber security.
From what I hear, many of the big "technical schools" are basically worthless as far as preparing you for the work, and they cost as much or more than community college. You're better off just going into a trade as a complete novice and building up experience that way.
Yup. We recently hired a guy straight out of the HVAC-R program of our local tech school and he barely had any refrigeration knowledge. Aparently they only teach you barely enough about refrigeration to get an EPA cert and nothing beyond that.
Hell, out of the three new techs we got recently, the one who actually went to tradeschool is the least competent. If you want to get into the trades straight out of highschool you best bet is to just start with a manual labor job for a year or so so you have something to put on a resume that show you can work. After that just apply for a low level position in your trade of choice. Once you're in your employer should be paying for you to get any certs that you need.
Any good tradesman can teach the job to a competent assistant. But, if you end up working with a shitty guy, not going to learn much.
Everyone's got anecdotes but I swear I've been hearing the same thing about trades jobs where proof is anecdotes and then data paints it as generally worse than a university degree
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-entry-level-jobs/3716
I'd suggest young people not rely on anecdotes and focus on data. Don't trust a person when they say they're happy with their office job or their trades job. Don't trust strangers/people you barely ever talk to to be truthful about the condition of their health; most people spare people the weight of knowing their mental and physical struggles
Instead look at unemployment rates per profession that you're considering. Depression rates. Suicide rates. Salary trajectory and median wage by career stage. Like early, mid, senior, and wage at retirement. There's data out there for some professions like average yearly medical costs by age in profession. Average benefits value like health/dental/vision/401k match/etc data.
It's a ton to really consider but the ones that are able to do so without just shutting off their brains and turning off the web browser from stress/frustration will have done themselves a favor
Most people learn statistics in college though.
Also look into informational interviewing and maybe see if someone can connect you with a current job-holder. People are surprisingly nice and it may be feasible to get their time to get an understanding of their field and daily work life.
Absolutely follow the data and put in the effort to find out.
Tech and trades are what pay. Most of my friends with degrees are drowning in debt and don't have a job related to their degrees
Out of twins, one is heading for trade school, the other will have earned half her undergrad by the time they finish highschool, with plans to go pre-med. One will make a great living as an electrician and the other will drown in student loan debt for years. I'm equally proud and supportive of their decisions.
If a parent is disappointed that their child is going for a trade, the only thing this shows is that the apple fell far from an asshole tree.
A physician "drowning" in student loan debt is still making bank, in my experience. Having a lot of debt doesn't automatically mean you're drowning, if you're making $300K+, you will have no problem paying down that debt and living well at the same time.
You're not wrong, but being concerned doesn't mean being disappointed. Maybe use a less broad brush, unless you were intentionally just being provocative. In which case, tell your kids to cut down the asshole tree.
This survey only measured what teenagers were considering doing in the future. The headline is a severe overstatement of the results
you might be the only one who actually read it (no i didnt read it haha)
I see article like this and they are so unrelatable. Most articles are. It’s all popular mass news media and doesn’t touch what I know to be real life. This is for rich families.
How is this not great news?
It's about how successful your parents were.
If your dad is a mechanic, has his own shop, then you might want to consider some form of trade school that also teaches the business side of running a shop. Or becoming a machinist to complement his skills, and still make use of his tools and floor space.
If you're going to be a plumber but end up working for a large corporation, because you don't have capital to start your own business, things will be tougher. You'll hours might be bad, the pension they offer might not be good.
Everyone's situation is different, and the future will be different from now.
Reminds me of how everyone in my generation was funneled into STEM, and now the field is oversaturated and we have physicists stuck working at McDonalds.
In 5 years we will have too many electricians.
Then they will push people back into STEM again.
Its funny how fast something becomes “traditional”
The generation that set this system up is still alive…
I'm not, told my kids study whatever the fuck you want so long as you can work that career and support yourself and a family of 4. When they asked how much was that, I taught then how to do salary research and how to determine the cost of living for a family of 4 in different parts of the country.
If you go to college, the degree you get also matters. Professions requiring a degree "just because" is gone. Now the only degrees worthwhile are those where that's the only way into a specific profession, like medicine.
That's utterly false. I still constantly see requirements listing a four-year degree, but not in any program.