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Men who’ve spent time in the 60-year-old downtown Los Angeles lockup say inmates are given cold food every day of the week — so sometimes they start blazes to heat it or cook their own. Other times, they use clandestine fires to warm their coffee, light contraband cigarettes or drugs, create jailhouse air freshener or just stay warm. In Men’s Central Jail, they say, there is almost always something burning.

The recurring hazard is possible in part because of the lack of smoke detectors or sprinklers in the inmate housing areas. Without automatic alarms, officials said, it’s up to jailers to spot fires and manually activate an alarm inside one of the deputy booths.

Experts such as Carlee Purdum, who studies fire safety in jails and prisons as assistant director of the Hazard Reduction and Recovery Center at Texas A&M University, worry that’s not enough.

“The largest carceral disasters we’ve seen in the U.S. and across the world have occurred when prisons, jails or detention facilities are not treated seriously by those in charge of managing fire risk,” she said. “Incarcerated people are uniquely vulnerable to fires in that they cannot take protective action on their own.”

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said it was aware of fires occurring in Men’s Central Jail. But officials said that they are typically small and that the county’s seven jails are in compliance with fire safety codes.

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[–] einlander@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're so worried about stopping the fires, but not worried about fixing why people cause them in the first place.

Well, yeah. They're in prison, so of course they must suffer the entire time. God forbid someone actually try to rehabilitate them.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So they don't even care about the lives of the guards? Because fires don't care who they burn or choke to death.

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

No guards, no more drugs and weapons. It's like a win win

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A posted a comment below about a CO I know and yes correct they dont care about the guards. I don't want to get to specific and give away where I'm talking about but simply showing that a problem also effects the guards never helps. If it only effected the guards then maybe.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why do the guards even stay? Just desperation for a job? I'm right by a federal prison and there are employees in my neighborhood and they don't seem like the type of people who would work somewhere that risky. Maybe because it's a federal prison?

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Some like the power, some have a sense of duty, but more than most COs would be hard pressed to find a job they can reasonably move to and make anywhere close to the same amount of money. Add in the pension plan and the financial incentive is massive. Overtime pay can easily put some COs well into six figure salary range, ive heard one man went all out on work and OT for a whole year grossing well over 200k because he was trying to grind out his daughters college money. You dont find that much money with these benefits elsewhere easily. Where im at is actually expirencing a drastic reduction in the applicants for CO school/training so with the pool of workers shrinking the avliable overtime and compensation in general will likely only rise.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One of the key differences with guards is they can, y'know, leave if a fire breaks out. Assuming they can breathe long enough to escape, of course...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That's the problem. The fire could be bad enough fast enough that they couldn't escape.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Im familiar with a CO in one of the more 'humane' prisons in the country. Recently transfered inmates who are trying to power pose to their new cell block often get told they can calm down there by the veteran inmates. The prison rewards good behavior enough that it's created a shift in inmate culture, AND STILL, there is tons of things that more than most people would consider much less than humane. This is another one of those deeply systematic problems that I guarantee you'll find shades of in your own community.