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[–] zout@fedia.io 106 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I'm a man, and I don't like it when the behaviour of Musk is viewed as typical men behaviour.

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago

Yeah, it's one thing to be leery of men because any one of them could be dangerous. It's quite another to claim that men "tend to" defend rapists and child molesters unless it suits them.

[–] TwigletSparkle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago

Yeah, these are not typical men. They're narcissists.

Most men are disgusted by predators; however there are a not insignificant number of men out there that aren't.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Theres a couple ways to fix that.

Whining on the internet isn't one of them. Not tgat im generally against that, but if you want to distance yourself from musk in particular, maybe not the best technique.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately, in some ways, it is.

He is of course also a deranged little freak. But lots of his stuff is normal kinds of deranged.

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[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

gotta love casual sexism against men being normalized and even celebrated

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 38 points 2 months ago

I disagree, as a man, I would expose the shit out of any other person I knew was doing that shit.

When a man does this shit he increases the perception of all men being seen as possible predators and terrible people.

A man does not do this, a man stands up for what is right, and if they don't, they are no man.

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'd replace men with narcissists because 100% of narcissists act like they don't know morals when it hits them in the face because they want to exploit and benefit from immoral and corrupt situations any way they can.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I would merge narcissists with predators like, we don't have a lot of strong evidence that Elon Musk is a predator of any particular type, but there's something going on there.

His actions are not the actions that you take when you have a clean conscience.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I would call his space base or whatever a predatory colonization of Boca Chica. His companies hire new grads, burn them out, then dump them the second they slow. Plenty of stories of abuse and racism in Tesla factories. Strong-arming his ex wives over custody battles.

He's a predator, just maybe(as far as we know) not of the typical sexual variety.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Strong narcissists cannot actually have a clean conscience. They are making shit up constantly. There is no dependency on reality.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if the venn diagram between narcissism and sociopathy is a near circle.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I normally cringe to see "as a man.." comments but this is incredibly sexist and it's understandable to have something to say when you're getting accused of habitually defending rapists. Kind of disappointed to see it posted here

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I appreciate your sacrifice, as someone who posted "as a man".

Sexism is bad. Doesn't matter who is on the receiving end. It's still bad.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Yeah, this one is a step too far for me. Instead of attributing his behavior to his well-established narcissism and power hungry freak behavior, he didn't call Trump out because....he's a man?? His identity as a piece of shit takes precedence here, not his gender.

OP is one of the nicest individuals on this platform so I'm very, very surprised by this post

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hey. As a man, I resent being lumped in with Elon on this.

The whole "but they do the bad thing" is a what about-ism; and many of us don't associate with people who we need to do mental gymnastics to justify their actions.

If I had a friend or acquaintance who was a child r*pist, I would have one less friend or acquaintances the day I found that out. I don't need anyone in my life that I have to justify their actions because of how shitty they actually are. My life is complicated, and/or, difficult enough... I don't need people in it that add to that with their drama and/or felony criminal activity. I don't care how "important" or "influential" they are, I will just remove myself from the situation and politely decline any future interactions with that individual regardless of all other factors.

Since I started abiding by this philosophy, I've lost more "friends" than I care to count, but the friends I still have, are people actually worth knowing. They're people who make me better as a person. I hope they feel the same about me, but that's entirely up to them to make a decision about.

In any case. Generalizing an entire gender because of the actions of one dude? Not cool. That would be like if I based my opinions on women off of the example set by someone like Carla Homolka. First of all, fuck that bitch and the horse she rode in on; she should eat the curb for the horrors she has committed; but also, she is not an example by which anyone should base an opinion on, about women in general.

Elon may be arguably less horrible than Homolka, but I think I've made my point.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Didn’t even reveal Trump as a child rapist. It’s just a go-to thing for that immature fool. Remember when kids were trapped in a cave, he tried to get them to use his magic robots to rescue them, and the experienced cave-diving rescuer said that would be a disaster? Suddenly the rescuer became a child rapist.

Trump may be, but Musk doesn’t know one way or the other. He’s just hurt and immature and hurling playground insults.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I still do not understand how that event didn’t turn the entire world on Musk forever.

I already didn’t like Musk because of the whole “you can’t use safety yellow paint or backup alarms on forklifts in my factories because I don’t like them,” but calling a hero a pedophile because his ego wasn’t the most important thing in the situation was just so outlandishly childish and evil.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

I still remember watching what I will call a "hype channel" on YT, talk about Musk being an entrepreneur as if that put him in some kind of authority, that put a bad taste in my mouth, then the whole Hyperloop shit started, and as a railway enthusiast, I just could not see the system working as described, then I started seeing Tesla customers volunteering at Tesla delivery locations to help new customers which felt very culty, and that helped me spot the Musk cult easier, all while my dislike for him grew

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I disliked Musk before the cave rescue shitstorm, but that turned my dislike into pure contempt.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I disagree as a man, it is not reflecting gender it is reflecting personality. This is how narcists and ego maniacs behave - and powerful people often fall into that category. Men and women.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I tend to think there's some causation behind the correlation between power and sociopathy. Furthermore, I don't believe one comes necessarily before the other.

I just call it the wealth disease.

[–] TwigletSparkle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not all men.

But still, way too many men.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Worse even that the standard lowers with an increasing imbalance in power.

[–] GrantUsEyes@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 months ago

Louder for everyone on this thread!!!!

[–] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This tweet sounds like it's from an incel

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t the term “femcel”?

[–] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I thought femcels were different as they don't necessarily blame men for their issues?

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 11 points 2 months ago

I have a pretty low bar for posts from a comm called "witches vs patriarchy" and this still doesn't reach it. Get the fuck out with this trash.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As a man I read this not as "every single man would literally always protect a child rapist", but as "men tend to be loyal to their friends and would often only call them out on sexist behavior if an additional factor comes into play".

Yes, it's hyperbole. On the internet. In a meme community.

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

Locking this post as we've recieved reports of misandry in which I've personally also addressed in the comments.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 7 points 2 months ago

Elon is a man and an asshole. Those are separate issues. Most people, men and women, are not that selfish and childish.

It's unfortunate that assholes do tend to be a loud minority among men

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

If I'm being charitable to the person who wrote this. They mean that it's a thing done by men, but they didn't say all mean. I'd argue it's men like him, except one point. It's not just men. There are women who enable this too. Remember, Jeffery Epstein's right hand man, was a woman.