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Is Fox news unironically the best place to learn about your new favorite social dem?

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 236 points 1 month ago (35 children)

BTW $30 isn't like a crazy high number for minimum wage. The current number is well below the poverty line for families everywhere in the United States, and New York has a very high cost of living. Minimum wage is explicitly intended to provide "the wages of decent living." $30 per hour might actually be too low for New York City. $61,500 a year is barely going to pay the rent in the shittiest neighborhoods. https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/new-york-ny/

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 133 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

If you give your whole life of working hours to a business, the compensation should be a bare minimum of all of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

Period.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I agree with your point, but I'll also say fuck the bare minimum. Any business that cannot afford to pay a living wage has no business being in business. Poverty is exploitation.

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[–] jonne 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Back when it was created, it was enough for a single earner to feed and house a whole family, it should always be compared to that metric and adjusted accordingly.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 month ago (14 children)

In Zurich, Switzerland, the cost of living is insane. It's similar to NYC that way. The difference is that their minimum wage is 23.90 CHF / hour which is almost exactly $30 USD per hour.

Because it's such a high cost city, people earning a minimum wage aren't living a luxurious life. But, they do live a pretty "normal" life. They can go skiing in the winter (getting to the slopes using trains and trams). They can go out to eat as a treat, or go to a club. They can buy healthy foods, and can easily afford their (mandatory) health insurance.

It means a lot of things are more expensive, which basically means the middle class and rich are subsidizing the people earning the least. And this is despite Switzerland being an extremely right-wing country by European standards. You really see the affect of high minimum wages when you're paying for things where a big part of the cost is minimum wage labour. Like, if you order food for delivery, you might as well order something expensive and luxurious, because you're going to pay the equivalent of about $20 as a delivery fee.

It's a system that seems to work a lot better than what NYC currently has. When even the lowest paid person is "comfortable", they have more pride in their job, and more confidence in their value. They know they're not as disposable. It also helps that Switzerland has much stronger unions than the US. 45% of all workers in Switzerland are covered by collective bargaining agreements, which is very low by European standards, but is way, way higher than the US rate of 12.1%.

There are already parallels between Zurich and NYC because of the presence of some extremely highly paid people, especially finance bros. But, Zurich should be a model for NYC, and with a $30 minimum wage, they'd take a big step towards that.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I live in NY, not NYC, and make $30/hr as a single guy. I live in someone's garage just so I can have a savings/retirement investment...

Rent at a legitimate apartment complex would eat every remaining dollar I had after my other expenses. NY is definitely expensive...

My dad joked that I need to find a wife with 2 jobs if I wanted a house and then paused for a second, doing the math and realizing that's actually true if we were all around the $30/hr mark...

[–] pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

need to find a wife with 2 jobs if I wanted a house

Or you could split the difference and get two wives with one job each.

Or you could get four wives with a part time job each.

Or you get 8 wives with one job each and now you are making profit over the money you need to buy a house.

My point is

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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

Yep, a lot of people don't realize 7.25 an hour at 40 hours a week is just about 15k a year. Good luck with that wage anywhere in the US.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Yeah it just sounds ridiculously high in low cost of living areas where Fox’s faithful all live.

They really do hear this as “look at this outrageous tax on small business owners” instead of “oh look a living minimum wage - that would be good for Timmy when he graduates high school next year.”

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 127 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Baby basket may sound like a weird one without context if you're not already familiar with them, but I assume he's talking about a maternity package, or "baby box" which is a wildly successful program in Finland and other parts of Europe. It's a cardboard box filled with baby supplies, and the box itself doubles as their first crib. It's not legal in the US ostensibly because of the cardboard, but functionally cuz we like to punish women every chance we get. Anyway, being cardboard causes literally zero problems, they help to prevent SIDS, and they're cheap.

We should have been doing this for ages.

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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 127 points 1 month ago (1 children)

TFW your government literally just hooked a brain dead pregnant woman up to life support against the wishes of her family, to force her to give birth, but somehow tries to paint political promises of baby baskets for newborns as dystopian nightmare fuel.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wasn't the baby just delivered a few days ago, very premature? Wasn't it also known that it had hydrocephaly? (both things not very compatible with life)

Using a braindead woman and her braindead premature fetus as political football against the wishes of her family.

That's so evil it's a fucking cartoon. Like twirl your moustache, give an evil laugh, and then steal a blind person's cane while jaywalking.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago

Not sure about hydrocephalus, but it was delivered at the earliest point the hospital was willing to do. The chances of the baby surviving are low regardless of other complications like that.

I learned after, the mother was literally rotting on the table. This was only done because it was a black woman without the resources to fight back.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

And forced the family to pay for it all. Pure fucking evil.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 89 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It's amazing, all they need to do is write "socialist" and like Pavlov's dogs maga instantly react with no thought...

How to make maga hate anything: "it's socialism!"

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Calling shit DEI is socialism!

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 59 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Imagine painting no cost childcare and $30 minimum wage as something bad. Ugh. Those poor rich people are gonna be slightly less rich!

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't think rich people will be slightly less rich.

Free child care is a no-brainer. More people working, more productivity, more taxes, et cetera.

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 56 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why would a newborn need baskets of babies, that is so irresponsible.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 52 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The right: Birth rates are declining!

The right when they see no cost child care brought up: Socialism bad!

[–] rhadamanth_nemes@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I believe that this is part of the Christian dogmatic pipeline. If you require social services, check your closest church. And of course you will need to be a member in good standing to keep access... Etc

[–] frezik@midwest.social 21 points 1 month ago

It's also convenient that churches tend to be de facto segregated by race. We're not racist, we just setup institutions that happen to work in racist ways.

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[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

If you're preborn you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked!

  • George Carlin
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[–] YoiksAndAway@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Umm....will you be our president?

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Born in Uganda, unfortunately.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (5 children)
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[–] HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 month ago
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hmmm.

So... baby baskets to newborns is about SIDS and keeping them alive. No Cost Childcare is about keeping them alive and well, too.

So... about them kids?

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fetuses matter, not children.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I have no idea how anyone can think that baby baskets for newborns is a bad thing.

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

HOW DARE YOU GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ALREADY-BORNS, THE FREELOADING ASSHOLES DON'T DESERVE MY TAXEEEES!! REEEEEEEE!!!!

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I love how "socialism" is a smear in a country that has "e pluribus unum" on its money. Unum, only up to a point, I guess.

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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Did Mamdani pay for this victory ad?

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ok, so these are the promises. Now actually... you know...

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[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

What's funny is the MAGAts that live there will HAPPILY take those things... But then still badmouth the shit out of the man who made it possible.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's ok. They've trained their monkeys to hate objectively good things.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He's the new Boogeyman, because he has a Muslim name. Much like with obama. And memhet oz whitewashed his name and skin

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

I'm so happy he won :D and in such a landslide

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Changing the fixed dollar amount of minimum wage is only a temporary fix that guarantees another uphill struggle in the future

Minimum should be tied to cost of living changes not a specific dollar amount that has to be fought over way after minimum wage no longer meets the minimum cost of living

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