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[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Sounds like gadgetbahn.

If we want to solve for capacity we have this.

There are no sleeping wagons during the day because people rarely sleep during the day.

Also having narrow ladder to get to half the wagon for sure will be great for elderly and disabled people.

[–] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not a mono-rail, it's an attempt at a better night-train car design. Will it have any success in a market where we already have nightjet, etc.? No idea. But this doesn't seem all that pie in the sky.

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah fair point, it should be compatible with current infrastructure, so if we assume what they claim is true and they really can increase capacity/ reduce pollution is it ok.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't get it, you posted double-decker train, then tried to rip into this solution for being less accessible?

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Double decker trains don't have a ladder, they have stairs.

Edit for clarification:

This is what stairs look like for the double decker trains, if you are in a wheelchair they are still mostly inaccessible, but we can see there are seats and spaces on the platform level for people with reduced mobility.

This are the proposed ladder(vertical stairs) for that futuristic wagon. Still inaccessible by wheelchair, but also inaccessible by people with reduced mobility.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In theory that means that one entire "floor" of the Luna is accessible, compared to just the vestibules on the traditional double-decker. Considering it's trying to be a sleeper as well, I'd say that's not too bad. There is what looks to be a solid handle there to transfer in with, so as long as the aisles are wide enough, even towards the end of the car, then it looks pretty good to me. You'd want somewhere for an attendant to park the chair as well. Granted, I'm an ambulatory chair user so I don't have a read on how difficult it would be for someone without use of their legs.

However, these are just early mockups. There's plenty of potential for more accessible pods at either end of a car, close to doors, that solve the issues you've brought up. So I just struggle to see how you could look at this and definitively say it's less accessible than current double-deck designs.

[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

In theory that means that one entire "floor" of the Luna is accessible, compared to just the vestibules on the traditional double-decker.

In most double deckers in Germany you enter on the lower floor between the stairs and the bike space (foldable chairs and rails to strap bike to) and the stairs. Between the bike spaces is a regular sitting area separated by doors. A third up the stairs is the connection to the next cart and sometimes the toilet (some models have a accessible toilet on the ground floor), then the stairs double back for the upper sitting area.

The sleepers trains had cabins with bunk beds, making the lower ones accessible. The proposed sleeper trains have stairs to each "pod" and a very narrow corridor.
If they want to go double decker they should retrofit normal ones with beds, maybe two on top of each other on the bottom floor, and one on the top floor at higher cost.

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I cannot definitely say it, but from the early mockups it doesn't seem promising to me.

Also the marketing of "revolutionary" "life-changing" and "solving all problems"(hyperboly of course) and providing only a very light redesign and a 3d visual is a big red flag.

I am basically afraid of this.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would you say this is a "very light redesign" of a traditional sleeper car?

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, but in not a good way, adding hard to reach areas, screens and foldable beds imo is not the right direction.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Whether you love or hate* it, I think calling it a "very light redesign" is disingenuous at best. As for screens and foldable beds, those already exist on trains as well as planes and have for decades, so calling them "added" seems strange on your part. Sure, there's likely good criticisms to be made here about this design, but you've as yet not really given any tangible ones.