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I'm reading the comments about this video, and I think people are missing the point.
It's not about the Telsa running into the kid. It's about the Tesla completely ignoring the FLASHING FUCKING STOP SIGN at the side of the bus, which resulted in it hitting the kid dummy.
This could have been a pedestrian crossing, railroad stop, intersection, etc.
These vehicles aren't "smart" and should not be allowed on the road. Any idiot can have greater awareness than a Tesla.
No 'smart' device is smart.
Yeah, it might kill the kid, it might not.
Im still gonna stick to my ford F50000 Fleshreaper (BLOOD FOR THE CAR GOD!™) driven by a good old fashioned human to get the job done.
Besides, it avoids the whole mess of theological issues about who gets moloch's love.
Sounds like a typical driver in the US
The only difference is that a driver would get out of their car, check for damage to their vehicle, and then get mad at the kid! /s
I'm a school bus driver and this year we finally got the automatic cameras that catch people going past our red flashers and stop signs. My camera has captured about two to three drivers per day doing this. I would have rather had the automatic machine guns but the camera is a fine second choice.
Edit: the funniest thing I've had happen with the camera so far is one person that came flying past my reds, noticed the lights and stop sign as they were passing me, slammed on their brakes and then backed up past me again while mouthing "I'm so sorry" to me. Yes, they received two tickets for this - and I had nothing to do with it as the cameras are completely automated.
do they get tickets in the mail?
Yeah, that's how it works. A lot of people just never pay them, though.
Do people in the US just get away with not paying tickets?
Over here, if you don't pay fines, it will get escalated until the point of seizure, and if you have nothing else to seize, they will take your car.
Not paying isn't really an option.
Apparently, the issue with mail-in tickets specifically is that while the camera can catch the license plate number, it can't really prove who was driving the car. So whereas an in-person ticket from a cop for passing a school bus will result in points on your license, a mail-in ticket from a camera like this won't. The same problem applies to people that just don't pay the mail-in tickets - the state doesn't really know who to go after specifically.
That's some weird legal loopholes.
Over here, if you own a car you are responsible for who drives it. So if you get a mail-in ticket, you can either name the driver (and in case of a dispute prove that they were the driver) or you yourself are counted as the driver.
Oh, so you're saying your country does something better than my country? Take your xenophobia and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
:D
Yeah, saying software quality sucks because foreigners are programming it is totally the same as saying that a specific law in one country is worse than the equivalent in another law. Sure.
That must impact their insurance even if they try to avoid the tickets though?
Glad you got cameras for your bus!
Well there is the problem right there, FSD shouldn't be doing these tests in the first place! How else is Tesla supposed to get their amazing cyber taxi out of it has to follow all these dumb rules?
Not American, but I think FSD stands for Full Self-Driving, not an organization.
It's fine, they'll fix these issues in time for the robotaxi rollout ten years from now.
What's that? They're planning on launching the robotaxis at the end of this month? Well then.
If I worked at Tesla, I would very much be doing a crappy job and slipping bad ideas into what looks like good code. The Lord's work.
How would you know where to put it among all the other shitty code?
Didn’t I just read this like a few weeks ago? But there’s a Jun 15 date in the article. So did this happen again?
It's the same story making the rounds.
Edit: They also did it in Austin and somewhere else, so same situation in 2 different spots, generating like 4-5x the stories as each one gets repeated in the news cycle
Pretty normal for a Tesla.
I'm a school bus driver. This is also totally normal for human-driven vehicles.
That makes sense, Tesla use real driver data to train the cars. The cars ignore the traffic controls humans ignore, follows the rules humans follow
They try to fix bad behaviour, but I bet there haven't been enough human driven Teslas illegally passing school buses and having a collision for Tesla to notice that FSD ignores a rule it shouldn't
Great, they've invented Christine.
I'll give you my uneducated findings: self driving cars are not ready.
I doubt they will ever be really ready, they'll eventually be considered "ready enough" no software will always work without flaws. When that software controls a car a minor flaw might mean 20 deaths.
Isn't Waymo in San Francisco completely self driving? And if their own recently released data is anything to go by, it would seem self driving cars are more ready than manually controlled cars. Because people are absolutely awful at driving.
Way is also operating in a fairly small fixed area that is highly mapped.
Not saying that's a bad thing, they are doing things the right way, slowly and cautiously.
Waymo cars use much better technology than Tesla.
Nobody is disputing that a machine that is never distracted and has reaction times down to fractions of a second would make a better driver than even the most skilled human, but Tesla's FSD hardware and software aren't there yet and probably never will be.
Comparing self driving cars to American driving standards is kinda a moot point because the american safety standards are so low that death and injury is considered the cost of doing business.
I'd be curious to see how well waymo performs compared to a country with far safer road designs and drivers that are better trained and respect rules of the road more frequently.
That's fine because those were non fascist kids
Hell yeah
I’ve seen some comments elsewhere about how it can be trusted.
Edit; like really straight up trusted. The delusion is unreal.
