Won't employers just adopt the same workaround that they're using in Colorado, by posting a huge pay range and hiring all employees near the bottom?
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And yet it's still better than a system where you don't have to tell prospective candidates anything at all. I'd much rather have the knowledge that they want to hire me towards the low end of their own advertised range than have no information at all.
That workaround doesn't actually work, not legally. The Colorado law specifies that the pay range has to be reasonable and they will review and cite businesses that try to pull that if a complaint is made. The NYC-specific law also worked the same. I imagine the NY State law will have a similar provision.
Doesn't mean they still won't try it mind you.
The candidate work around is to ignore the top number and apply for jobs that have a reasonable bottom number.
My employer gets around it by refusing to hire anyone in Colorado for remote jobs. Guess the same will happen for New York.
I feel like a business would have to be really dumb to rule out hiring NY'ers because of this. NY has a very educated and very large population.
Edit: I did the math. Colorado and NY have a combined college degree population of 9.9 million, or 8.9% of US degree holders.
a business would have to be really dumb
I don’t see how this is a counterargument.
Lmao you got me there.
I can get maybe blocking one state but New York AND Colorado? I'm sure California or some other larger, more progressive state will eventually make the swap too. Eventually you start cutting yourself off from not just large swaths of the american workforce, but also disproportionately from the types of hires you need (assuming remote hires still).
According to the article, California already has a similar law. I didn't dig into the details of it. Relevant bit:
A similar pay transparency ordinance has been in effect in New York City since 2022. Now, the rest of the state joins a handful of others with similar laws, including California and Colorado.
I had a feeling CA had something similar but couldn't recall and couldn't be bothered to google in the moment on my phone lol
It is required for employers here in Washington. But if the company is headquartered in a state where it is not required, they do not have to list it.
They'll be out of states if we keep going then they'll naturally just cease to exist. Or, more likely, adapt to actual regulations.
That's illegal in Colorado and you should report it if you see employers listing bad faith salary ranges like that.
Pay: $40,000 - $250,000 (based on experience and qualifications)
I don't apply to places that do not list a range anymore. One interview I had described a mid level job position but at the end of the interview they were only willing to pay a little above entry level. They are looking for workers in high cost of living areas. Something tells me they will be looking for a long time until they get their wake up call.