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How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] solariplex@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 years ago

I'm norwegian and I support this message. We grew our riches by extracting luxurious poison from the earth, intoxicating the world. It's time for rehab

[–] sfgifz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

On the other hand, if countries like UK didn't have the consumption demand to buy these resources there'd be less environmental damage because of less extraction.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, no it's their fault for making it. Just like Africa should of never of had all those juicy natural resources and available slaves. It was their fault.

[–] catfish@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Never Have had

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net -5 points 2 years ago

Most of the slaves were captured by Africans in wars fought for slaves. European slave raids happend, but mostly Europeans just bought the slaves from African leaders. That is one of the reasons Africa is so fragmanted today. As more local power mean more potential targets to raid and the smaller you are the less you have to share the wealth from the slave trade.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have a feeling nations like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and America won't warmly embrace a British exPM's idea for a tax on one of their greatest resources to subsidize foreign nations. Especially when it's framed as their reparations for harming the world.

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The. British are also silent when it comes to paying reparations for their own misdeeds overseas, which unfortunately strips this statement of credibility.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I found this quote from him pretty rich because of that:

"These producer states have done literally nothing to earn this unprecedented windfall. It represents one of the biggest ever transfers of wealth from poor to rich nations."

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Colonialist hubris at its most egregious. I bet he thinks England "earned" its colonies too.

[–] li10@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We complain about the countries that extract the oil and the countries that burn it to make products, but ignore the fact that they do it for us…

You won’t ever see politicians telling individual people to stop buying so much crap though, because that’s their right and it would hurt the economy…

[–] heird@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They've spent millions to keep us dependent on oil and killed innovative projects, they should pay a tax

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Lets look at the Big Oil companies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajor:

  • ExxonMobil formerly Standard Oil Company of New Jersey
  • Shell plc formerly Royal Dutch Shell plc
  • TotalEnergies formerly Compagnie française des pétroles
  • British Petroleum
  • Chevron formerly Standard Oil Company of California
  • Marathon Petroleum formerly The Ohio Oil Company
  • Phillips 66 founded in Oklahoma now HQs in Houston Texas
  • Valero , named after Mission San Antonio de Valero aka Alamo Texas
  • Eni - Ente Nazionale Idrocarburi founded and owned by a third by the Italian state
  • ConocoPhillips founded in Utah, HQs now in Houston Texas

Which of these companies is Arabian, Persian, African or South American?

All i can see is US Americans and Europeans, predominantly Englishmen and their descendents.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago

They're just listing western firms which aren't controlled by governments/royalty

  • Aramco
  • ADNOC
  • Kuwait National Peroleum Company

Are all big and what he's talking about

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago

The biggest oil producers in 2019 were:

  1. Saudi Aramco(Saudi Arabia)
  2. Rosneft(Russia)
  3. KPC(Kuwait)
  4. NIOC(Iran)
  5. CNPC(China)
  6. ExxonMobil(USA)
  7. Petrobras(Brazil)
  8. ADNOC(UAE)
  9. Cehvron(USA)
  10. Pemex(Mexico)

https://www.offshore-technology.com/features/companies-by-oil-production/?cf-view

So one European with Rosneft and two US American with ExxonMobil and Chevron.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago

The use of the term in the popular media often excludes the national producers and OPEC oil companies who have a much greater global role in setting prices than the supermajors.

But yes, the USA does produce more oil than Saudi Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk -1 points 2 years ago

Shouldn't the consumers of oil be donating instead?

After all, it's our fault those nations are drilling up dinosaur juice.

What happens to the gargantuan amounts of petrol tax collected by the UK government every year?