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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 209 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Conservatives genuinely support Russia invading innocent European countries and committing genocide. This is just who conservatives are.

Conservatism is a plague of oppression that is long overdue for a cure. There is no place in a modern civilization for conservatives.

[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 61 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Conservatism has been infiltrated and suborned by Russian intelligence.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This is what’s going on. I really don’t understand how it’s not very obvious to everyone that the entire Republican party has been infiltrated by the Russians.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What If they haven't really been "infiltrated", though, in the conventional sense? What if they are deliberately inviting the Russian Influence in, because they like the Russian model of Capitalism better than ours?

I believe they are trying to build an Oligarchy here, on purpose, because they are planning to become the oligarchs.

[–] Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I'm kinda more in this camp. I think Russia and the GOP are working together (kinda hard to live through 2016 without believing that on some level) but does that mean that Russian intelligence has "flipped" the GOP? I don't think so.

I think it's more of a convergent goals kinda situation. I think one of the things that the GOP wants to do to American politics is turn it into a open moneymaking venture. Not saying that it isn't defacto already there, but it is still looked down upon and technically criminal behavior to accept bribes and the like. Matters of enforcement aside.

Not only is that kind of blatent corruption already prevalent in Russian politics, Russia for there part would love a united states that they could just bribe to get off their back. The GOP is trying to comodify American politics and by consequence American power abroad and Russia is looking to be their number one customer.

Does that mean that Trump gets marching orders daily from Putin? No, probably not. There's probably some level of communication between them, but I doubt any of that takes the form of any kind of directives or anything.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Nah, I don't think so, they're compromised. Lindsay Graham is the perfect example of that. He was almost a decent human until he went all in on Trump, he didn't go there willingly.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It is obvious to everyone, which is why several key democracies around the world are funnelling billions into the only country actively fighting Russia. The US is using it's own intelligence and command functions to help guide Ukraine in what to fight and where. Russia is being overthrown and their arrogant invasion is how Putin will lose a tremendous amount of credibility worldwide.

Russian military tech has been proven to be substandard when compared to literally any other arms manufacturing nation except China and India. German, Swedish, UK, French, and US weapons are being used against Russia to incredible effect and showing other national leaders how ineffective Russian weapons are. This means far fewer nations will field Russian tech and gear.

Russian without the illusion of power will have some serious internal upsets, like the recent Wagner and rebel uprisings. Whoever replaces Putin will not renew those conservative back channels because those relationship are contingent on being an international asshole, which a new leader can't afford to be.

So don't worry about the long term effects since Russia may not be here for long. Everyone does see Russia being an international asshole and it's the reason they are losing their war.

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[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh no, it's fine; they are just asking questions.

[–] Feirdro@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

“Let me play devil’s advocate”

“Are what we pretend to be”

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

10 years ago if you had pitched this as the story line for a movie: Republicans aiding Russia in invading Europe you would have been, at best, laughed out of the room.

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago

And yet 10 years ago is when Romney warned us. I remember having a conversation with my mother in which I sounded off incredulously about it, "I don't buy this red scare 2.0 thing" to which my mother said, "there's probably something to it if someone says you shouldn't trust their friends."

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over.

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[–] drekly@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago

I wonder why they care so much. It's as if someone is telling/paying them all to put the Ukraine support on hold. I wonder who 🤔

[–] tinkeringidiot@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Aid for Ukraine is almost entirely flowing through DoD’s budget (DoD sends weapons from storage, then buys new ones - this also helps end-run Dept of State export rules). DoD acquisitions don’t shut down with the rest of the government, they never have. Ergo, military aid to Ukraine will continue unabated through any shutdown.

Anyone in DC who’s surprised by this has no idea how a government shutdown works.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

everyone in DC knows how it works.

They are just feigning outrage for the base.

Just like how they screamed about evil vaccines, while having every single vaccine available during covid.

[–] tinkeringidiot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

To be fair, they’re all ancient enough to be in the “high risk” category. 😂

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A lot of the billions of dollars in aid is our old equipment from the 90s that was taking up room in storage and costing us money to maintain. Not having to maintain old vehicles is a net savings minus the cost of transporting them.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd go further and say they don't know how countries work. A government shutdown is really insane to me, but shutting down the military would be just straight up destroying the country.

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[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago

Sure, but usually you hang traitors

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 39 points 2 years ago

all they know is there are vulnerable people, and they need to be able to threaten them in some way, and use them as a hostage

[–] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

I bet they're ok with getting their own paychecks during shutdown though.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

This is because Putty-boo either has compromat, or is bribing the shit out of them. (which is, itself, compromat.)

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago

I laugh every time a MAGA snowflake gets upset. Imagine living your life with two brain cells fighting for third place.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Shite education system rearing its ugly head.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

MAGA is a pro-putler cult? I'm SHOCKED!

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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 12 points 2 years ago

Seems to me that they should be worried about keeping the lights on.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Pentagon is reportedly planning to exempt aid to Ukraine from the impact of a potential U.S. government shutdown, sending MAGA Republicans opposed to the assistance into a tizzy.

Former President Donald Trump, who has claimed that he would personally be able to end the Russia-Ukraine war "in 24 hours," has demanded that Republicans "defund all aspects" of the government as the September 30 deadline fast approaches.

Pentagon spokesperson Chris Sherwood told Politico on Thursday that a decision had been made to exempt Ukraine operations during a potential shutdown, just after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky visited Washington, D.C., to make the case for more military aid for his nation's efforts to fend off the Russian invasion.

But the only thing the @JoeBiden administration cares about is funding their proxy war in Ukraine," wrote former Republican Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake.

Department of Defense spokesperson Chris Sherwood said in a statement emailed to Newsweek that Operation Atlantic Resolve, the name given to the mission to aid Ukraine, was exempt from a shutdown because it "is an excepted activity under a government lapse in appropriations."

A group of 29 Republican members of Congress sent a letter to the White House on Thursday, vowing to oppose more aid, calling it "an open-ended commitment to supporting the war in Ukraine of an indeterminate nature."


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