does just that and has far lower recidivism rates. Offending behavior can often be left behind when a hand is held out with compassion. So remember: treating someone with a complete lack of respect and civility, that's the very thing that will harden that person's beliefs further. Whereas if you treat them with patience and curiosity and compassion, that can even undo a lifetime of learnt hate.
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When you offer someone an alternative to ignorance, tribal anger and hatred, they often take it. So at the moment in our Dreamer's Hotel, it does feel like all the rooms are vacant. It does feel like we're all trapped outside in our confrontations and arguments, losing our patience. But if we can renovate and populate this hotel and begin spreading compassion, and compassion spreads easily -- it's contagious -- , then we will be in a far better position to face the great unknown, you know?
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To address the ecological and existential challenges that humanity faces. Karen Armstrong, the great religious historian says, as does Martha Nussbaum the great philosopher, as does Charles Darwin the great evolutionary biologist, as does his holiness the Dalai Lama the great practitioner... they all say compassion is the answer. You know? It's our strongest instinct and source of community, and so I think we need to get out of this ideology of self-interest and get to an ideology of compassion. And I would add, you know, we're doing a lot of work on awe.
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And awe is very similar, you know. People find awe in music. At your concerts Rou, I'm sure you've seen it out in the audience, you know, and it probably gives you goosebumps thinking about it. Visual art, nature, human goodness... Awe leads us to transcend tribalism. And we've got good data on that, so we have to go back to these these deep tendencies that the ideology of self-interest has masked, and then I would add something we've been talking about, Rou, which is, I mean, economic inequality is bad news.
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You know, it has undermined our sense of common cause in the United States.Increasingly so Europe or England, right? So those things we can work on and build into our hotel and the rooms of the hotel. And the rooms of your hotel should be rooms devoted to compassion and awe and pluralism and equality, and we'll do a little bit better in this game.
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We must offer the alternative. The alternative to self-interest. To hate. To hostility and division. We must practice, encourage and stoke compassion, patience and curiosity. These mindsets are pivotal to humanity achieving a more sustainable and stable future. And we can all do our part as individuals, but even more essential is the need to rectify our economic system. This is what we'll look at in episode four.
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