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We are herbivores in a world of carnivores. It is a power politics world, yet we still have in mind that through trade and preaching the rule of law we can have influence on the world. We must still preach the rule of law but we have to be aware there are some leaders that need to be dealt with in a different way.”

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Borrell predicted the war in Ukraine, and the eventual outcome, would be one of the three driving forces creating a new world order, alongside competition between China and the US, and the rise of the global south.

He admitted he was no fan of the term “global south” to describe such a heterogeneous group of people but that an entity existed that “consider themselves part of an alternative to the western models”. He said it was critical to “try to avoid the alliance of China plus Russia, plus parts of the global south.

“The people of the global south want to be recognised because 40, 50 years ago, when the world order was built, some of these countries did not exist. Either they were colonies or so poor they did not have a vote.

“So now they are independent countries and they have been growing economically, demographically, and they want to have a say.”

He added: “Understandably these countries are hedging. One day they look at Russia , another at China. At the UN they vote against the war in Ukraine but many of them do not have this feeling of moral indignation that we have.”

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

We are herbivores in a world of carnivores

White people stop invoking Nazi social Darwinist pseudoscience challenge

Everytime a grown adult forgets that we're omnivorses, and uses herbivore as a shorthand for submissive and carnivore as a shorthand for strong I weep

[–] Goblinmancer@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"herbivores are submissive" is truly some disney level take, like hippos will murder literally everyone just for the crime of existing nearby.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

Humans are nature's switches

[–] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

He attributed this to deep cultural and political differences inside the EU: “There are some members of the European Union that are Japanese-style – we don’t want to mix. We don’t want migrants. We don’t want to accept people from outside. We want our purity.”

he can call them fascists, it's not that hard

[–] imaginaryplaces@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He attributed this to deep cultural and political differences inside the EU: “There are some members of the European Union that are Japanese-style – we don’t want to mix. We don’t want migrants. We don’t want to accept people from outside. We want our purity.” hitler-detector

[–] Jobasha@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It takes an industrial grade alloy of smugness and lack of self awareness to proclaim yourself a herbivore when your society is built on brutal conquest and the immiseration of billions. This continent's century of humiliation can't come soon enough.

[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This continent's century of humiliation can't come soon enough

Hopefully it's already started with the nord stream bombing

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

Hopefully it's already started with the nord stream bombing

Sadly it doesn't matter how it starts, they'll still blame immigration for it. There are people who think Rome collapsed because of multiculturalism.

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

hitler-detector

every Pro-EU lib becomes hitlerite when talking about migrants

[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We are herbivores in a world of carnivores. It is a power politics world, yet we still have in mind that through trade and preaching the rule of law we can have influence on the world. We must still preach the rule of law but we have to be aware there are some leaders that need to be dealt with in a different way.”

Occidentals have no fucking self awareness. I hope the garden's economy suffers irreparable damage from the war

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago

At the UN they vote against the war in Ukraine but many of them do not have this feeling of moral indignation that we have.

eu-cool

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The same garden vs jungle bullshit as always. Won't someone think of the poor, peaceful German and French states that just can't imagine the level of violence used by those savage countries?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go ahead, EU. Dissolve. See how long you last once Europe is a fetid pit of bickering petty principalities again. Do it. Do it. It'll be fun. You'll have a good time, I promise.

[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It'll be so nice if europe returns to its rightful place in the world as a backwards irrelevant peninsula on the western edge of afro-eurasia

[–] flan@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Calling it Eurasia gives the euros a sense of smug superiority because Eur is up front. Just call it a peninsula of Asia and watch them lose their shit.

[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The part about Afro- preceding eurasia is probably enough to make them lose their minds

[–] flan@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

i havent tried that one but you could be onto something

[–] WalterBongjammin@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

‘Asked if he believed Russia would try to fan the flames of migration, Borrell said “Putin will try everything”.’ Immigrants are a Russian plot now?! matt-jokerfied

NATO countries helped collapse (or bring to a point of near collapse) several states that neighbour Europe! They are also are primarily responsible for climate change!

Also, that he can only call Europeans racist by externalising the values and saying that they are 'Japanese-Style'! chefs-kiss ideology

[–] 8ace40@programming.dev 33 points 2 years ago

I'm from South America and work for a global company with headquarters in the Netherlands and important offices in Sweden and France.

They talk about Latin America as a "focus region" and wanting to develop the company here, but their only interest is how much money they can extract and take to Europe. They don't give a shit about the employees here.

And they're sooo racist about it, but they would never admit it. When one of the products was repurposed for use in Latin America, the European people working on it all desperately transferred teams because no one wanted to work with us. If we ask for anything they just stall and make us wait for weeks or months for it.
They say that they want us to have "ownership" of our processes and tools, but we have to ask for permission for any project, no matter how small.
If we do things our way, they block us with bureaucracy and red tape and make us jump through hoops for every little thing.

I could continue all day...

[–] nightshade@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago
[–] lily33@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago

He said it was critical to “try to avoid the alliance of China plus Russia, plus parts of the global south.

Well, if it's critical to avoid that, then don't act so as to best encourage it.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

“So now they are independent countries and they have been growing economically, demographically, and they want to have a say.”

geordi-no The global south just wanting to have a say.

geordi-yes The global south wanting to do to Europe what Europe did to the global south.

[–] NPa@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm like 90% sure this guy is an actual Nazi and not just a scratched liberal

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

He's already revealed himself with his "Europe is a garden, the rest is jungle" rhetoric, and how Europe needs to "engage" with the jungle, rather than wall-up... I think he's still pissing himself from the possible future undoing of reconquista...

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

lmao it's Borrell again.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

What happens to Euro? That would probably be good for Greece and other indebted countries.