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Still more civilised than the Minecraft modding scene! *cough Forge drama cough cough*
I'm not into Bethesda games so saying this based on the article: Arthmoor sounds like a piece of shit. It's fine if you have a "vision" for the game, and your mod is about that vision, but you shouldn't pretend that your vision is something else, like simple bug-fixing patches.
Yeah I used to think Minecraft was the last sane modding scene, now with Forge, NeoForge, Fabric, Quilt and whatever the fuck else I think those days are gone...
The Minecraft modding scene was always insane.
Forge in special has always been a hotbed for drama, since inception - Eloraam (RedPower) and FlowerChild (Better than Wolves) were both founding members, they started fighting because Eloraam was copying BTW features, FC left, booom. Eventually Eloraam and Spacetoad left, and LexManos - not a founding member, but someone invited into Forge by Eloraam - became the head developer, and he makes Arthmoor look nice in comparison.
Arthmoor is far from the worst the elder scrolls (and specifically the skyrim) modding community has to offer, lol
he's one of the most famous weirdos, but there's waaaaaaay worse among some of the most widely used mods' authors.
the best example is probably Boris, the maintainer of ENB (a shader extension/injector), who is a famously fascist russian.
then there's all the anti-woke modders (which mostly get banned from most platforms within hours/days). these aren't that bad in the grand scheme, but they regularly cause huge shitstorms and hilarious modding sprees that can be best described as "extra, super gay" in protest.
ETA: one kinda famous incident was some guy modding out a SINGLE reference to a (probably, implied only) gay couple of dead skeletons. they're not even really characters, they're just set pieces lying around, but this dude thought "absolutely not!" and posted a patch that removed that like, single text line in a diary, from the game. suuuuper petty, borderline insane. anyway, nexus community, understandably threw a fit, nexus staff was super on board and went nuclear on the dude's account, and a bunch of mods in the theme of "EVERYONE in skyrim is now super gay" sprung up on the front page of the skyrim nexus. so that was pretty funny!
but yeah...there's regularly gross ass bigots around...'cause, you know...viking-themed fantasy land...
have i mentioned the frequent self-takedowns of mods in protest? yeah, that also used to be a big thing on the skyrim nexus...have fun trying to mod when some of the core frameworks just dissapear overnight just because someone was mildly offended by some bullshit...except like once or twice, when they actually kinda had a point...
at least with minecraft most of the mods, and as far as i know all of the big ones, are open source. skyrim's are often closed source, so for a bunch of the core frameworks the community is built around there just isn't an easy replacement. if the modders got mad, things used to just...break.
and then there's the pedos...yeah. some folks keep trying to lewd the kids in skyrim...also get banned pretty much immediately, but like...you know.
sooooo...yeah....minecraft drama is suuuper tame by comparison!
it's intense for the people involved, sure, but big picture wise it's childs' play...skyrim drama hits different.
Always interesting to get a glimpse into a small subculture and what's happening there
Thanks for sharing :)
Arthmoor is probably at least half the reason the Community Patch for Starfield exists, and why I hope there will be an equivalent for the next elder scrolls when it eventually comes out.
Considering the new game uses the exact same data to run the game as the OG, I am going to guess before reading the whole article that it pissed people off because they simply took the original Unofficial Patch and just uploaded it, and took credit for creating it for the Remaster.
Edit: Surprising. That was not it. It's because the modder himself is a known to be a major douchebag. 🤣
Im olny like 15 hours in, but I honestly don't think the game requires any major mods in this state.
This is coming from a person, who spent days modding the shit out if Bethesda games until I broke them and had to start over. While 15-20 years ago I had plenty of free time for modding, this remaster already done the heavy lifting with the graphics and minor gameplay tweaks and I am just happy to launch the game and play it as is. Call it laziness if you want :)
It still coud use some minor stuff, like key ring for inventory management, local map hotkey, alchemy interface tweaks, disabling sell confirmation messages, etc.
Nothing critical in my opinion, so the modding drama seems a bit exaggerated.
What the game desperately needs is more optimization though.
Same here. Ive got 40 hours or so in it, and have no desire to mod the game. Virtuous really did a great job modernizing the game and besides maybe some minor UI tweaks and QOL stuff in the inventory, there isn't much i feel im missing not having mods.
Are they still selling the horse armor ? Because the horse armor mod was my only mandatory mod when playing the OG, just to give Bethesda the middle finger
The original horse armour is included in the base game, but there's more horse armour in the deluxe edition
Its part of the standard edition.
I just woke up and read the title as “terf war erupts”. Was really disappointed when I read the article.
As for the actual topic, his mods are mostly fine. It’s a shame he has to mix bug fixes with content alteration. I love overhaul mods big and small. But I like to choose playing them myself, thank you.
Arthmoor's mods are fine, he's just a shitty person. He tends to get into arguments with people and removing his mods (and thereby breaking a lot of people's load orders) when he doesn't get his way. He also reports and harasses any modders that try to fix the same bugs as his unofficial patches, even going so far as reporting them to get their mods removed and banned from the Nexus.