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Elon Musk says no primates died as a result of Neuralink’s implants. A WIRED investigation now reveals the grisly specifics of their deaths as US authorities have been asked to investigate Musk’s claims.

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[–] ElZoido@kbin.social 221 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Staff observed that though she was uncomfortable, picking and pulling at her implant until it bled, she would often lie at the foot of her cage and spend time holding hands with her roommate.

That is just incredibly sad. Those poor animals suffering for that megalomaniacs ego.

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[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 179 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Musk first acknowledged the deaths of the macaques on September 10 in a reply to a user on his social networking app X (formerly Twitter). He denied that any of the deaths were “a result of a Neuralink implant” and said the researchers had taken care to select subjects who were already “close to death.” Relatedly, in a presentation last fall Musk claimed that Neuralink’s animal testing was never “exploratory,” but was instead conducted to confirm fully formed scientific hypotheses. “We are extremely careful,” he said.

Public records reviewed by WIRED, and interviews conducted with a former Neuralink employee and a current researcher at the University of California, Davis primate center, paint a wholly different picture of Neuralink’s animal research. The documents include veterinary records, first made public last year, that contain gruesome portrayals of suffering reportedly endured by as many as a dozen of Neuralink’s primate subjects, all of whom needed to be euthanized. These records could serve as the basis for any potential SEC probe into Musk’s comments about Neuralink, which has faced multiple federal investigations as the company moves toward its goal of releasing the first commercially available brain-computer interface for humans.

The letters to the SEC come from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a nonprofit striving to abolish live animal testing. The group claims that Musk’s comments about the primate deaths were misleading, that he knew them “to be false,” and that investors deserve to hear the truth about the safety, “and thus the marketability,” of Neuralink’s speculative product.

“They are claiming they are going to put a safe device on the market, and that’s why you should invest,” Ryan Merkley, who leads the Physicians Committee’s research into animal-testing alternatives, tells WIRED. “And we see his lie as a way to whitewash what happened in these exploratory studies.”

For example, in an experimental surgery that took place in December 2019, performed to determine the “survivability” of an implant, an internal part of the device “broke off” while being implanted. Overnight, researchers observed the monkey, identified only as “Animal 20” by UC Davis, scratching at the surgical site, which emitted a bloody discharge, and yanking on a connector that eventually dislodged part of the device. A surgery to repair the issue was carried out the following day, yet fungal and bacterial infections took root. Vet records note that neither infection was likely to be cleared, in part because the implant was covering the infected area. The monkey was euthanized on January 6, 2020.

Additional veterinary reports show the condition of a female monkey called “Animal 15” during the months leading up to her death in March 2019. Days after her implant surgery, she began to press her head against the floor for no apparent reason; a symptom of pain or infection, the records say. Staff observed that though she was uncomfortable, picking and pulling at her implant until it bled, she would often lie at the foot of her cage and spend time holding hands with her roommate.

Animal 15 began to lose coordination, and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers. Her condition deteriorated for months until the staff finally euthanized her. A necropsy report indicates that she had bleeding in her brain and that the Neuralink implants left parts of her cerebral cortex “focally tattered.”

Yet another monkey, Animal 22, was euthanized in March 2020 after his cranial implant became loose. A necropsy report revealed that two of the screws securing the implant to the skull loosened to the extent that they “could easily be lifted out.” The necropsy for Animal 22 clearly states that “the failure of this implant can be considered purely mechanical and not exacerbated by infection.” If true, this would appear to directly contradict Musk’s statement that no monkeys died as a result of Neuralink’s chips.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 110 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. On. A. Pike.

That's horror novel levels of disgusting.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 years ago

Let fucking Musk be the next one to be chipped so he can prove how safe and comfortable it is

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The way humans treat animals and the natural world in general — scientific and medical experiments, factory farming, ecological destruction, pollution — it's all one planetary scale horror story.

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[–] TurnItOff_OnAgain@lemdro.id 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Animal 15 began to lose coordination, and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers

Jesus fucking christ. That isn't losing coordination. That is being terrified of these people for what they did to her.

she would often lie at the foot of her cage and spend time holding hands with her roommate.

She knew she was fucked and was getting comfort from those closest.

I'm getting High Evolutionary from Guardians of the Galaxy 2 vibes here. These animals acted like his experiments.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or the movie was based on real life. Animals aren't as dumb as we pretend. Other mammals are just that: mammals. The same as us. Mammals have the same feelings as us, the same emotions, the same fundamental chemical reactions, the same socialization. We just have big brains and written language to amplify basic mammalian traits.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Yeah I'll be downvoted to hell for this comment but... no. Not all mammals are like us, they don't have the same feelings as us, they don't have the same emotions and definitely not the same fundamental chemical reactions (whatever the hell that is supposed to be anyways).

Just to be clear: Elon Musk is a sociopathic scammer, he doesn't give a shit if living beings (or just plainly people) suffer or not and as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell where the devil will shove a pineapple up his ass every day for the shit he's caused so far.

However, that doesn't mean that animals are the same like us. I'm not claiming were better, I'm not claiming they deserve to suffer because they're different, just trying to say that even chimps are already very different from us, hell, even within humans we have a wide range: look at Elon. I think it's fair to say that he works quite different from most other humans, quite different from you and I. Monkeys, apes, and especially "mammals" as a group work VERY different from us

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[–] MorgoFett@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Used to work for this asshole. He’s just as much as a hack as Elizabeth Holmes.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Makes sense. You have to be that to become a tech celebrity among elites, competence and intelligence are not things they respect, it's actually a principal part of their worldview that competence and intelligence are for servants or simpletons, and real apex predator is, well, that kind of hack. They just won't believe that you are really able to achieve something if you are not.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You know you're a great guy doing an ethical thing when lab animals quiver in terror at the sight of you.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago

TBF, many dogs quiver when you try to wash them. They are afraid and that's it. They don't like that much water, and a bath, etc.

This case it's different, of course.

[–] inspxtr@lemmy.world 93 points 2 years ago (3 children)

what really confuses me is how the FDA approves this without a few more years of animal testing and protocol refinement.

[–] Zellith@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The people willing to have this implanted do not have brains. Therefore it is safe.

[–] inspxtr@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

lol I know you’re kidding, but there’s implication of those willing to get things implanted. Society seems to run on hype nowadays. Look at AI and how fast people are jumping on board with trying it, sometimes out of FOMO. Not to say there’s no merit, but if that FOMO feeling spreads real quick, without proper guardrails, Musk will eventually get what he wants.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I don't think many people will get elective brain surgery out of hype. Even if they would they can't afford it. You mention AI but chatgpt 4.0 is $20 bucks a month. Cost is a big factor in trends.

Also I am not sure about your qualifier of "nowadays". Hype isn't new.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Wait til it does something that employers want. The issue is that this kind of thing can become de facto mandatory.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

He wants Republicans to win so they'll gut regulations.

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 65 points 2 years ago (4 children)

At this point, who trusts musk enough to let him have control of their brain?

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Your mistake is assuming the people who trust Musk are using their brain.

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[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago

This is nightmare fuel. Why is this allowed ?

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 38 points 2 years ago (5 children)

He is so fucked over this, animal experimentation is incredibly tightly regulated. primates even more so.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago

I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt he'll see consequences over this

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 19 points 2 years ago

We can only hope he pays for this. Or anything else he's done.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Consequences for the rich in America lol

[–] kitedemon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Didn’t they just get FDA approval for human testing on this stuff?

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[–] j4yt33@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you compare the regulations in the US to Europe, it's not tightly regulated at all lol

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[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unregulated God complex, and sickening leaves of wealth surely that can't become harmful in any way.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It's a feature, not a bug.

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is how we create Mojo Jojo on accident

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Wasn't that the explicit goal!?

[–] serpineslair@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is messed up. It's like something out of a sci-fi horror film. Have to hope no one is stupid enough to put a computer chip in their brains.

[–] Venomnik0@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You know elon will try no matter what.

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[–] UsedAndDenied@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The difference in comments here is between those who show compassion for the suffering of animals - and, by extension, humans - versus those who do not and view this as merely political theater in their unlimited support of Elon.

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[–] jayrhacker@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“Science cannot move forward without heaps.”

[–] inspxtr@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not at the cost of humanity. Plus, that statement can be recycled to defend all the horrible inventions and experiments in the past.

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[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

It's like the start of a terrifying science fiction movie where things are about to go horribly, horribly wrong.

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