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[–] Mist101@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I heard our glorious leader will be making an upcoming EO mandating all homes be retrofitted with coal-burning stoves.

Oh say can you see

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

He's the Uncle in Nepokean Dynamite, but it's like he's stuck somewhere between mid to late last century..

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Whatever happened to “solar shingles”? There were supposed to be a couple of companies making them, but you never see them on houses.

[–] 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 3 months ago

They are more expensive and less efficient. Very few people use them.

[–] Wereduck@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 months ago

As far as I understand it they are just a worse solution than mounting standard solar panels on a roof. More expensive, less efficient, thus only gonna get used for aesthetic reasons.

Kinda like solar roadways and some other on the surface cool sounding but in practice niche technologies.

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[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

By 2027? Why not now? These things have never been cheaper. Mandate batteries as well, LiFePo is cheap as hell and it would save so much money it's stupid not to.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Building takes years. You have to subdivide, plan for utilities, stormwater and traffic, permit the buildings, etc, and suddenly invalidating a bunch of stuff midway through the process they just picked a date 2 years out to avoid the legal and administrative nightmare of yanking existing permits and making them re-design.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

This is an amazing policy. Very simple, very effective. It comes at a time when Labor is trying to push more housing and Octopus energy makes these panels very economical for the average UK home buyer.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A few decades late, but needed nonetheless.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If Reagan had had a hint of forward thinking he wouldn't have un-installed Carter's solar panel. It was among the FIRST solar panels installed for any residence in the US and it was mentioned as part of his farewell speech.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

England churning out those new homes at the rate of one every five or six years, so it's not as late as you'd think.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

That’s actually pretty expedient

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I like it, but with housing prices already out of control I wonder if this is the wisest? It's just going to make housing that much more expensive. Long term it's great! But I hope they have some fancy financial footwork to curb the upfront costs.

[–] sga@lemmings.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In long term, you would not be paying much on electricity, which is a saving. The upfront cost would be higher, but it is a good move imo, because retrofitting almost always has some shortcomings, like poor implementation, or unnecessary damage

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It doesnt add a lot of cost, but it also doesnt help as much as you think.

In Australia its mandatory to have an (I think) 2Kw/h system installed. Which is about enough assuming its running at full tilt to power the air conditioner in the peak of summer on a small house. A mate of mine who knows a lot about solar said "2kw is about enough that your home is essentially energy neutral when you're not in it. So the fridge, water heater, appliances on standby..."

Of course when you start talking a national scale it does add up.

[–] sga@lemmings.world 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

maybe it is difference in cost of living, or maybe solar output, our monthly consumption in peak summer hits some 1000-1500 units (arbitrary for now), we ourselves do no thave solar (some issues right now, but fixing them) but we in theory can get 100--200 units a day here, more if pick a larger unit, so that is, almost double of our reuirements. In winters, we rarely go over 300 (we do not have centrallised heating, and electricity is used in kitchen, and heating water), with a lowered output energy (lets say 1000 units a month) we would still be thrice over.

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[–] orenishii@feddit.nl 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think 1500 euro on a house will not make a big difference. Last set I put on a roof was about that price (50 euro per panel, 400 for inverter rest for mounting)

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It's 1500 here. 3000 for the mandated concrete walkway. Another 5k for the required hard wired fire alarms.

Just examples of things that are reasonable sounding that add up quickly. I hate to sound like some libertarian douchbag, but we need to be careful we don't regulate our way out of affordable shelter.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

The solar panels make the shelter more affordable. Whatever you end up paying extra on mortgage, you're going to save more on the power bill.

Our current house has everything electric, including warm water, heating, and transportation (electric car). Our power bill is way lower than our previous apartment of less than half the size.

In April alone our power bill will be around -6 euros, and the summer is ahead of us. December/January were around 400 euros, so I expect a balance of around 1000 euros for the whole year.

We paid 120 euros a month before (so 1400 a year), not including heating, warm water or charging the car. Heating and water were part of a 400 euro "hausgeld" payment that included garbage collection, lift costs, building maintenance, etc, so let's say 200 a month. Car let's say 550 a year (15k km a year, half of it long trips so just counting 7k changing locally). So we are saving 2.5k a year, maybe 3k, in bills.

The whole system (panels, installation, battery, etc) cost 27k total, so our mortgage is about 1.5k more a year extra (assuming 0 upfront investment) than in would be without solar.

So more than twice the size of the shelter and savings of at least 1k a year, very pessimistic calculation. Maybe as high as 6k, if we extrapolate the old costs with the size.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

with housing prices already out of control I wonder if this is the wisest?

Electricity prices are also already out of control.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

well with reform UK replacing conservatives, solar panels might be deemed too woke in the next couple years

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