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As the title says, I'm interested in this community's perceptions on nuclear energy.

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[–] VenDiagraphein@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Personally, as it currently stands, no. But it could potentially be, given better waste treatment practices and far better regulation and consistently enforced safety requirements.

It's far greener than fossil fuels, when run carefully at least. But between the persistent issues with waste reclamation and harmful leakage, and the massive amount of damage that can be done when mistakes are made or safety is overlooked, I don't think it qualifies as "green".

So from a practical standpoint, I still think new resources are better spent developing infrastructure for solar, wind, geothermal, etc. But as we are phasing out other power sources, pretty much everything else should go before we start to decommission nuclear.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When compared to something like a coal fired power station, they too can cause similar levels of unthinkable damage when things go wrong but with the added damage whilst they operate. Nothing feels ideal at this stage and not to say it classes them as green or clean, but the bar is pretty low for improvement as it stands.

[–] monobot@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have an unpopular opinion.

TLDR: While current nucler has it's place, it most definitely is not the solution.

Please, do remember - we need solution for the whole planet, not only EU+US.

While nuclear (fision) can be relatively clean (molten salt thorium reactors), cutrent technology is not there yet, and other comments explain why: availability of uranium, processing of it, and storage of nuclear waste, which contrary to popular opinion is not yet solved. Just search around and those idea we were sold during 80s never materialized, we still don't know how to safely put nuclear waste into the ground.

Even if we do it right, it is extremely expensive and probably is generating more emissions we think.

Current technology was created for making nuclear weapons, promoting use of it is just promoting nuclear weapons.

Do you really want random countries around the world to have acces to processed uranuim?

Would you trust some random dictators that their plants will be safe?

That their nuclear waste will be safely stored?

Current nuclear is not the solution, Thorium and even better fusion is, so we need to push research, not uranium.

And we need to remember that there is no one solution to rule them all, hydro is working nicely for some countries, geothermal for others, wind for some locations, solar definitely has it's place. Nuclear too, at least to fill the gaps in others.

Other big part of solution, which every nuclear supporter is ignoring: we need to reduce energy consumption.

We need better insulation, more efficient cars, machines, computers. Less traveling, less commuting, more public transportation.

[–] greengnu@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago

unfortunately we will run into Jevon's paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

It isn't the making of more efficient things (which we should do)

It is the changing of human attitudes towards consumption that we need to solve.

[–] carbonbasedlifeform@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I see nuclear as a transitory source of energy. It doesn't emit any greenhouse gases and FAR better than fossil fuels. We could easily transition to it faster and more cheaply than solar, wind, etc currently. Deaths associated with fossil fuel energy greatly exceed those associate with nuclear energy.

Burning fossil fuels needs to stop and we need to bring down carbon levels to what they were 20+ years ago. Ideally, transitioning to nuclear would be cheap/fast while we build out solar and wind infrastructure, and research how to make these sources of energy more effective.

However, I'm not a policy nor energy expert by any means. I'm just some random person on the internet.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Practical experience shows that nuclear is neither cheap or fast, with ongoing constructions being massively delayed and way over budget.

I would have agreed with you 20 years ago, but now we have way better alternatives and nuclear is too slow to make a difference.

[–] carbonbasedlifeform@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

NIMBY is also another factor that delays new nuclear plants. That said, safety is another big concern here. Although not at an nuclear energy facility, there was that incident recently at Los Alamos National Laboratory researching nuclear weapons where they placed 8 rods of plutonium next to each other that could have triggered a disaster. Very high safety standards are required, and humans are known for making stupid decisions.

[–] greengnu@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well there is a very good reason why modern nuclear reactors have a negative void coefficient (you just turn off the neutron source and the reactor naturally turns itself off

Or if really paranoid have a supply of Xenon-135 handy and that reactor will be shutdown in microseconds (which by the way is naturally produced by the reactor itself and why early prototype rectors kept turning themself off after running for a bit)

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