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[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 163 points 3 months ago (4 children)

"It's good, but we can't market it. If you were already famous in some other way so we could sell based on that, we would buy it."

Could have phrased it better, but I kinda get it.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 141 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"It's good, but we're bad at actually selling books so we need you to be famous in another unrelated way to compensate for our incompetence"

FTFY

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At least they know their failings and wont waste the authors time.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

"they" don't though. The low level employee/intern who read it might but that entire industry is up its own ass smelling it's own farts at the top.

[–] BoulevardBlvd@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

No you didn't. People don't buy the memoirs of random people. The publisher can move heaven and Earth but people still wouldn't change the fact that the audience will never exist

[–] Nefara@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sure they do, all the time, as long as it's an interesting story.

More than half of the books on this list are by "random" ie, non famous people.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Who said anything about memoirs? The thing about "the memoirs of random people" is not that they were written by non-famous people - it's that they are about non-famous people.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

What about the people who were only famous for writing?

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Remember Oprah and a million little pieces. I'm pretty sure that guy was a complete unknown before he made that shit up.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

"We won't publish you until you've been published"

Think about it

[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I thought this was an entry level publishing

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

You can be other kinds of famous. An athlete, youtuber, etc. Even if youre trying to sell speculative fiction, some traction somewhere helps the process.

But yeah, it's shitty. It's really hard to make any money writing now.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

applies to the job market too

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

So you run it by James Paterson, Inc. (or the estate of Tom Clancy or whoever fits best) get his name above yours and now you're contracted to release new novels at an absolutely breakneck pace,, but you have your foot in the door and can become the more famous writer who can release their own novels.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I would've thought "finding fresh talent" is something that publishers do out of self-interest, but I guess I'm wrong.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

this assumes the industry is vaguely competent and capable of critical thinking

[–] argh_another_username@lemmy.ca 61 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I can’t have a job because I don’t have enough experience. I don’t have experience because I don’t have a job.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 44 points 3 months ago

Was it an autobiography?

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lots and lots of anecdotes online about aspiring authors being denied publishing because they don't have a pre-established following. It's a sad state of affairs

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Isn't the publisher's job to advertise the book, get people to know it?

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 12 points 3 months ago

That sounds hard, just have a popular YouTube channel or Insta or something.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Book publishers have become so risk adverse that they really do only established stuff then they have a limit for everything else. It’s hard to even get established stuff translated from other countries.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Given the extremely tiny cost of digital distribution, I think this would be reason enough to never even bother talking to "publishers."

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Sure but if you wanted to do it as a career, you’d need them.

[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 18 points 3 months ago

The book selling business is killing books. It's so expensive to buy a new book today that I don't even bother looking. Long live the old books stores and public libraries!

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 11 points 3 months ago

This is what ghost writing is for. The publisher just slaps “Peter Andre” on the cover, the readers get to do “Leo-pointing-at-the-television”, everybody wins.

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What's especially dumb about this is that Tom is an excellent writer. Villager is wonderful.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He's talking about his friend who is trying to get started, not himself

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago

So he is. It's been a long day...