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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 88 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I'll note too that even absent Heritage Foundation threats, this can be useful to spur development of the project (i.e. for people who don't want a permanent account but don't feel comfortable having their IP permanently, publicly attached to edits). Probably the reason it hasn't been done in the past is it's almost certainly going to make it easier for bad actors to fly under the radar. Before, you either had to show your IP address (which can reveal your location and will usually uniquely identify who edited something for at least a little bit; you also can't use a VPN without special permission) or you had to register a single account (where if you created multiple, a sockpuppet investigation would often find out).

So there's an inherent trade-off, but I think right-wing threats of stochastic terrorism really tipped the scales.

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Well you say you can use a VPN, but you may often see that you’re not able to edit using a VPN IP if that IP block has been used for vandalism in the past. So then you’d have to potentially revert to a coffee shop or library which would still identify your location.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Point of clarification: I said that you can't use a VPN, and that's because those IPs are blocked. As noted, you need to ask for a special exception, which for most people isn't navigable and may not even be granted without a good stated reason and/or trust built up through good edits.

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Oh whoops, my bad I must have been reading too quickly. Thanks for clarifying!

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 3 months ago

I was surprised I was blocked from editing even after logging in. They do hate some IP blocks.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

Make a list of necessary changes then go to your local cafe.

Sounds like a nice plan.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't Wiki still have the data? So a bad actor's behavior pattern can be seen at aggregate behind the scenes?

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There are only 846 administrators on the English Wikipedia. This is across 7 million articles, 118,000 active registered users, about two edits per second, about a million files just on Wikipedia (most of them are hosted on Wikipedia's sister project, Wikimedia Commons), and over 60 million total pages (articles, talk pages, user pages, redirects, help pages, templates, etc.). So although they have this data, it's not useful if somebody doesn't notice and investigate it. Administrators are stretched thin with administrative functions, and that's not even accounting for many of them participating as normal editors too (tangent: besides obvious violations of policies, administrators have no more say over Wikipedia's content than any other editor).

Contrary to the idea that new editors sometimes get of Wikipedia as a suffocating police state run by the administrators, usually when edits get reverted it's because regular editors notice this and revert it citing policies or guidelines without any administrator involvement (every editor has this power). If an administrator intervenes, it's usually because a non-admin noticed and reported (what they perceive as) bad behavior to an admin, two editors are locked in a stalemate, or there's some routine clerical issue to be resolved.

Sockpuppeting, copyright violations, etc. are often (even usually) found by regular editors who notice something amiss and decide to dig a bit deeper. Even with automated tools that will flag an edit that replaces the article with the n-word 500 times in a row, and even given that some non-admin editors have tools which let them detect some issues, there's just only so much that 850-ish people can find on a website that massive. For example, one time a few years back, I just randomly stumbled across an editor who was changing articles about obscure historic battles between India and Pakistan to have wildly pro-Pakistan slants – where treacherous India was the aggressor, but brilliant, strong, and courageous Pakistan stood their ground and sent pathetic India home crying with shit in their diapers. The bias was oozing from the page (with poor, if any, citations to match), and I can imagine this would fly under the radar for a while on a handful of articles that collectively get maybe 30 pageviews a day.

TL;DR: Too few admins.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I might have to go lookup their implementation. I feel like a good way of addressing your concern would be a secure hash of the IP address combined with a persistent random number.
The same IP would always map to the same output and you wouldn't be able to just pre-compute it and bypass everything.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What’s the persisted random number? Sounds like a salt, but usually each user has their own salt right? I assume we are not talking about logged in users here? Or are we?

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Anyone got a list of the heritage foundation leaders and big players?

It's only fair

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[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

There's a lot of crimes happening nowadays by members of this administration. Add it to the pile.

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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wikipedia attempts to shield editors from being Doxxed and harassed by right wing nuts and their followers over writing accurate information.

Right wing nuts take offense at not being able to shape the narrative/history.

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[–] MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’ll never contribute to Wikipedia because they block VPNs

They should really unblock them. I know it’s not always easy to combat these problems, but a dedicated individual can break articles using non-VPN IPs like mobile data IPs

[–] MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They not only enforce IP bans on account creation but on every single edit you make, even if logged in…

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[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago

I imagine this has been underway since whenever that legal kerfluffle in India happened

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No matter what you think of Wikipedia, if the heritage foundation have actually threatened to dox editors then that’s despicable.

[–] wuzzlewoggle@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

"No matter what you think of Wikipedia" sounds like Wikipedia is extremely controversial. I've never met a person who has anything against Wikipedia. How insane and out of touch with reality do you have to be to have something against Wikipedia?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The only people I've seen that dislike it are people who want to hide things (like Holocaust deniers) or people that have some weird beef with people that run it or edit it.

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[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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