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[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 110 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is exactly why I don't store my passwords as giant metal 3D cutouts of letter shapes

[–] JazzAlien@lemm.ee 51 points 2 years ago

The tech to scan objects in a room using WiFi is not new. It's very unsettling.

[–] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 years ago

I spy, with my little wifi...

[–] Wussy@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And here I am thinking that hanging my passwords on the wall as art was hack proof. I guess it's time to redecorate.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

You just need to write it smaller than the Wi-Fi wavelength (~~about 60 nm~~) and you should be fine. If someone wants to read it, they have to use smaller wavelengths (i.e. higher frequencies), which means there’s a good chance that they will be blocked by your walls.

Edit: c/2.4 GHz ≈ 125 mm I took the first value from Wikipedia, without thinking about it enough.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think your fag packet calculation has got a power of ten wrong somewhere. Wi-fi is GHz so that would be on the order of centimetres I think.

[–] Turun@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes. Wifi is 2.4 GHz, speed of light is 0.3 Gm/s. Therefore one wavelength is 0.3/2.4 m/s/Hz = 12.5 cm

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Or 0.001 football pitches

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, you’re right. Writing it smaller than 12.5 cm should do it, which is entirely reasonable.

[–] Wussy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What if I use an awesome font like Comic Sans and round the faces like party balloons? Still visible?

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

It’s all about the size. You can’t use an optical microscope to look at details smaller than the wavelength of visible light. You need an electron microscope for that. Similarly, a wifi camera can’t see details smaller that the wavelength.

If you made a camera that can see in 100 MHz radio waves, you could probably see mountains, rivers and houses, but anything smaller than 3 m would be nothing but blur.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seriously, yikes. This is going to be very bad in the wrong hands. Cool concept though.

Researchers at the University of California, Santa Barbara, have developed a novel method for imaging objects beyond the line of sight, which they've named "Wiffract." This technique leverages the interaction of Wi-Fi radio-frequency (RF) signals with the edges of objects that need to be imaged, guided by the principles of geometrical diffraction theory (GTD). With the appropriate mathematical model, Wiffract can produce remarkable outcomes, such as "reading" shapes and letters through walls.

The researchers explain that when an RF wave encounters an edge point, it generates a cone of outgoing rays known as a "Keller cone" in accordance with GTD. Wiffract's mathematical model can capture the edges of stationary objects by utilizing GTD theory and the corresponding Keller cones. Once it identifies "high-confidence edge points," Wiffract can reconstruct the shapes of objects while enhancing the resulting edge map further through advanced computer vision techniques.

[–] TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If we're seeing it now, the government has probably been using it for years.

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago

This is vaguely similar to Van Eck phreaking.

[–] finthechat@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

Lucius Fox hates this

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is super creepy

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah sure why not.

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago
[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are there ways to design a room or things to put in a room (or the walls?) that would inhibit this ability?

I suppose lead shields or something...

[–] fishos@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Well, if it's using WiFi, then anything you do will also kill your WiFi signal. So, bare minimum, no WiFi router, only LAN lines.