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I recently readed more about it, and the association with anarchy was immediate.

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[–] Lordbaum@mander.xyz 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I really like it for two things first It could be another radicalization vector for people inside not that radical movement's like some parts of the climate movement. And second it gives me and my comrades a vision and a world to fight for. There is a reason that optimism stands in the two first lines inside the Solarpunk manifesto.

We are solarpunks because optimism has been taken away from us and we are trying to take it back.

We are solarpunks because the only other options are denial or despair.

Also you are completely right with it being Anarchist:

At its core, Solarpunk is a vision of a future that embodies the best of what humanity can achieve: a post-scarcity, post-hierarchy, post-capitalistic world where humanity sees itself as part of nature and clean energy replaces fossil fuels.

[–] danileonis@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago
[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] danileonis@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Very good read indeed.

[–] JoeBidet@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

a desirable vision is needed.

[–] DBVegas@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

I'm not an anarchist personally but I do like solarpunk and the optimistic view of the future. A solarpunk world looks like one worth building towards and living in. I think the left could use more optimistic visions of the future.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I think there are some valid aspects of it that we will most likely be forced to accepted within the next 20 years, as climate change begins to affect us all in a very severe manner.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Solarpunk could've been an update to stale sub-ideologies of Anarchism.

In online communities Solarpunk unfortunately is associated with greenwashing soil sealing, motorised individual transport and nuclear industry and others. This status makes it a product of climate delay propaganda currently and thus unusable.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't know which "online communities" you refer to, but usually the exact opposite is the case. What you write is basically a list of things Solarpunk communities everywhere strongly oppose.

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Perhaps your analysis conflates attempts, on one hand, to challenge prevailing assumptions through imaginative imagery, with, on the other hand, the also important attempts to propose objectively viable alternatives.

[–] ArumiOrnaught@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

A lot of art I've seen from it has been from artists and not engineers. I know may sound like an odd complaint, but it has put me off from looking in deeper. I've looked at some of the art and just gone "it would be nice if it COULD work like that." The one that I see frequently enough is the multistory building with different floors of farming.

I know art isn't implementation. But the fact people think moving dirt from a place with good soil and conditions to growing plants to an area that is shit for it is just not looking at the consequences.

It's like how the solution to cars aren't EV's, even if EV's seem surface level obvious.

[–] Jummit@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I love the aesthetic and ideas, but personally I couldn't get into it that much. It ~~seems~~ feels too unrealistic and a little like greenwashing (renewable energy and other high-tech is core to the ideology).

A book featuring the style which I really liked was A Psalm for the Wild-Built.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How is it greenwashing? Greenwashing is capitalism pretending to be eco friendly. Solarpunk is explicitly anti capitalist.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I believe you can use greenwashing to describe more things than just capitalism pretending to be green.

For me especially the type of solarpunk aesthetic that centers fururistic cities, high tech and massive amounts of renewable energies kinda greenwashes the needed extraction of resources to achieve those aesthetics.

Most if not all folks I interacted with that seemed into solarpunk (users on slrpnk.net) where most likely not greenwashing things, but when I just google "solarpunk" my impression is more in line with the person you replied to.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

That's just the aesthetic. Solarpunk is fundamentally anarchist, and aims to end that exploitation, and the structures that feed on it.

[–] Jummit@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry, I used the wrong wording. I meant to write that it feels a little like greenwashing to me, because I don't have a lot of faith in a "green transition" (not enough materials, exploitation of the global south etc...). But the good thing is that the solarpunk vision can work just as well in a low-tech environment.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago

As mentioned, solarpunk is highly focused on destroying capitalism. Ending that exploitation is a major goal

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did you also read the second part A Prayer for the Crown-Shy? I like the first one more but both are worth reading.

And l agree that solarpunk is a bit too techno optimistic but still isn't a good vision and that's what the left lacks right now.

[–] Jummit@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

I have not, thanks for reminding me!