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thelemmy.club's Nazi bar problem: defederation worthy? [problem resolved] (infosec.pub)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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FINAL UPDATE

@bdonvr, admin of The Lemmy Club has, in my opinion, responded in good faith to the concerns raised in this post, and so I have withdrawn my proposal for defederation. In summary:

They will no longer be allowing conservative/right wing communities on their instance
A couple of accounts were banned ( marathon and Bernard )
"realcaseyrollins decided to voluntarily close /c/news@thelemmy.club, /c/censorshipnews@thelemmy.club, and /c/opeds@thelemmy.club."

Personally, I think this is just about the ideal outcome, and I hope this will convince folks to give The Lemmy Club another chance.

The Lemmy Club is currently suffering from "The Nazi Bar" problem. All of their top communities are run by three right-wingers as illustrated below.

The Lemmy Club instance admin doesn't seem to want to ban them, for the reasons mentioned below:

This vote is on whether or not we should defederate from this instance until they address their Nazi Bar problem.

Upvote = for defederation. Downvote = against defederation.

Edit: As others have mentioned, happy to treat this a only a temporary measure until the problem is resolved.

Edit 2: The Lemmy Club admin has said they will implement a rule against right wing communities, and has taken action on some problematic posts and users (see original comments below).

I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the admin here, as they have responded in good faith:

If you implement those changes then I’d be willing to withdraw the defederation proposal and consider the problem resolved.

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[–] div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591 Early Bird: a parrot, orangered colors Jolly Roger: an icon of pirate jolly roger skull wearing a hat, in orange-red, black and white colors A book with a loaf of bread in the cover in orange-red, black and white colors First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color

This is a simple majority vote. The current tally is as follows:

For: (4), (3), (1), (8)
Against:
Local Community: +0.8
Outsider sentiment: Supportive
Total: +16.8
Percentage: 100.00%

This vote will complete in 10.74 hours

Reminder that this is a pilot process and results of voting are not set in stone.

[–] topherclay@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

These images are insane on my mobile Connect app. it's eight screen lengths of scrolling to get to the reply button just for this one comment.

[–] MathGrunt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm confused on how to vote. The vote tally shows for/against, and then "outsider sentiment support", and I'm not sure what that is, and also who and how gets to vote.

Also, I'd like to vote and that's what I really care about.

Defederate that shit quick.

I'm not sure if it's possible, but ban/block those accounts as well. Too bad we can't do more about preventing those cancerous people from doing more damage.

MathGr

Edit: I take back my unofficial vote to defederate. We should wait and see.

Also, lots of love out to our Admins here for (1) noticing this, (2) attempting to rectify and and (3) being reasonable (i.e. not using a sledgehammer) when it seems that appropriate steps have been taken at this time.

However, having seen this right-wing cancer destroy other social media platforms, I want to stress that we should be as proactive and ban-happy as we feel appropriate, because this shit is not going away.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm in vote of a temporary defederation, until they address the problem. This shit is not okay, and is not a matter of just "different opinions".

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

i'd rather just ban the users and use the comms are a honeypot. though I guess there is nothing that stops us from doing both.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

I think my problem is more with the admin. We shouldn't need to moderate his own communities for him, and if this stuff is allowed by him, it'll create a culture for this stuff on his instance.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

Defederate, and federate again if they find a cure 🔫

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I would have preferred a vote first to see if we should just ban those comms, or defederate. If we ban those comms and the right-wingers, we can take a more "surgical" approach. Personally I will vote against, in favour or B&B (block & ban). But I am open to be convinced otherwise if the problem is worse than I thought.

Edit: After the revelation that there's literal neonazis posting neonazi videos in there already, I switch my vote to defed.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

I thought about that, but tbh I also wanted to put pressure on the admin to take action against the right wing communities and community bans would not have achieved that.