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You can go electric with only European cars (infosec.pub)

submitted 4 months ago by Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de to c/BuyFromEU@lemm.ee

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[–] klobuerschtler@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

The R5 looks sooo good!

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

The best EV is still an e-bike or motorised scooter, at least for my needs. Thinking you need a car is very US-American, instead subscribe to the Dutch "you need a bike"-mindset instead, it's European.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago

The Renault is a good comeback for the classic Renault 5. Now I'd like to see it as the original: an affordable car for the masses.

[–] HeavyRaptor@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Anything from Mercedes with a Q in the name seems really underbaked to me. Definitely not posh Winnie the Pooh tier. Still, much better than the cyber truck.

[–] nightm4re@feddit.org -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Remember kids, Volkswagen is just a bunch of criminals with a long history of fascist compliance and fraud ❤️

never. buy. VW.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_controversies

[+] Rododenderon@lemmy.cafe 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] nightm4re@feddit.org -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Umm.... After helping destroy it?! The Volkswagen plant was opened by Hitler in 1938 and running on slave work from more than 20,000 forced laborers and KZ-prisoners, many of whom found their gruesome deaths on the site. Until the end of the war, over 60,000 VWs were produced solely for war purposes - Hitler had promised the German masses a cheap civil vehicle but the VW's main advantage was that it could easily be modified as a military vehicle. Only 630 civil VWs were produced during wartime - for leading NSDAP officials. Please tell the entire story.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Would you not say this if they changed their name?
(And its not like other brands weren't forced into the war bossiness.)

How would you see Fords involvement pre- and post-war?

[–] nightm4re@feddit.org -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Their name absolutely does not matter, so no: I wouldn't ignore their history if they decided to rebrand. The thing here is, they were not forced into the war business, they were the war business. Volkswagen has been part of Hitler's plan all along and has been installed to finance his devastation of Europe.

I do not know anything about Ford's history, but despite what current day America is trying to evolve into, I think it's safe to say that during wartime Ford was not part of a fascist regime's plan to annihilate millions of innocent people.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Sorry, I'm not sure I understood you - so ownership does or doesn't matter?
Contrary to what USA says, corporations are not people. They are just assets guided by owners.

Where would you put the line for VW post-WII assets to not count as "war business"? Would reusing factory walls to build products for the citizens count as continuing the Nazi war machine? Would another brand purchasing all VWs assets be ok?

About Ford - yes, you are right, he wasn't forced into supporting Hitler (and his wartime industry), nor playing both sides to maximise profit.
But he did try to build war machines for a country with

plan to annihilate millions of innocent people

(But was mostly outbid by actual war companies)

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your heart is in the right place, but is the US a genocidal slaver country just because it was founded on genocide, slavery, and violent insurrection? Is Germany still a Nazi country because it fell to the Nazis 87 years ago?

No? Well, just like Germany isn't a Nazi country anymore, VW isnt a Nazi company anymore.

[–] nightm4re@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

At no point was I insinuating that current day VW is a Nazi company. If you had read the source I originally linked, however, you would have seen that their morally flexible decisions have continued to the present day.

[–] XenGi@feddit.org 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

So ist every German company that survived WW2. But yeah, VW is pretty horrible.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is or was? I'd argue that VW is less evil than the automakers who keep pushing wank tanks in the US. Those giant SUVs and pickups are destroying cities and the planet.

Toyota is my favorite automotive brand overall, but I hate the Tundra and the Sequoia models. They are grotesque abominations. So I respect VW for not joining the wank tank arms race.

[–] XenGi@feddit.org 1 points 4 months ago

Oh VW is doing their share of world destruction just fine even without giant SUVs which they also produce.