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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And the president before him should have done something, and the president before him, and the one before him...

Sure, let's blame it all on Biden huh? As if this problem just started yesterday?

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also pretty easy to blame the president.

Presidents only get power if they win elections. And you only win elections by doing what the people want you to do.

I remember the 90s. James Hansen was saying, gotta build nuclear, get off the fossil fuels.

The Sierra Club and Union of Concerned Scientists were saying, no nuclear is bad. The coal unions were saying, no don't destroy our jobs. Bill Clinton and Al Gore were in power for 8 years and these two lobby groups had a lot of influence on them.

But I also see no repentance or reform by these groups. It's always someone else's fault.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We don't need no president to tell us that we should stop driving so damn much and start walking and riding bicycles more often. One person can't fix what the entire population has caused. We have to be the change we want to see.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Individual actions can’t fix problems of a systemic nature. We need governmental policy and enforcement to lead us towards salvation.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Strangely, I both agree and disagree with your comment. It takes everyone to make the progress we need regarding climate change.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, ultimately that’s pretty much true. We all need to make the change together, but government needs to provide the structure for the transition, and the motivation for those who would rather pretend everything’s fine.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

There are actually people out there willing to live totally off the grid, no electricity or nothing. I have respect for people that have the nerve and the skill to do such things, but in most areas you're legally required to have electricity.

Like WTF? Once upon a time, electricity basically didn't exist (well it did, but humans weren't generating it). Then it became a neat invention for the rich. Then it became a convenience. Then it became mandatory...

Seriously, how are we ever going to have options when energy is literally forced upon us?

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Ok, I'm living in a solar powered RV, sold my car and travel around on an electric scooter. Now I just need to convince billions of other people to do the same..

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

True, but we also live in a society where we have to travel to work, keep the heat in our house, etc.

Voting for politicians that actually embrace solutions is also part of our responsibility.

France went from 10 tons per capita in 1973 to 6.5 in 1993 and that was not by massively taking the bicycle, but by massively building nuclear plants and high speed rail.

Sweden did the same between 1979 and 2000.

Still have a way to go down to zero, but the US is still at 15, and Germany still at 10 and Canada at 20.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago
[–] InLikeClint@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We got motherfuckers older than Goro from Mortal Kombat running the country. They won't be around when shit gets even worse, what the hell do they care about the following generations. Selfish AF.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What Biden has done is to cut the issuance of drilling leases to the minimum required by law, pass the Inflation Reduction Act, enact a regulation to force vehicle electrification, and similarly force fossil fuels out of most power plants, as well as phase out warming-inducing refrigerants.

What Biden has not done: stop issuing drilling permits or impose export restrictions on fossil fuels. The former has some serious limits because of how the courts treat the right to drill as a property right once you hold a drilling lease, and the latter is simply untested.

Age here isn't the issue; it's that we the US government is designed to spread power across multiple people and parts of government, and having a President who is willing to do the right thing isn't enough.

[–] InLikeClint@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@silence7 Did I mention Biden? Age is absolutely the issue here. All these geezers won't be here much longer, so they don't actually give a shit about the environment or climate change. What does inflation matter in 50 years when there's no drinking water or food?

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago

There are people who work to be good ancestors. I'm happy if somebody who behaves like that holds lower, no matter their age

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Congress should act. They’re the lawmakers. The president is just there to execute them. Expecting presidents to initiate laws amounts to calling for an emperor.

It’s sad and telling that Congress isn’t even expected to act anymore.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Congress did act when the Democrats had a majority in both houses. A larger majority would have avoided the need to get the votes of Manchin and Sinema, which would have made for more action. A 60-vote supermajority in the Senate would have enabled the passage of non-budget bills, and gotten even more. We didn't have those things, so we got what we could.

The Republicans currently hold a majority in the House of Representatives, which is why nobody is expecting the current Congress to act in any kind of meaningful way.