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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Mobster@feddit.uk to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk
 

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to share something that Iโ€™m hoping will help me when it comes to making better choices about what I buy. While this isn't about promoting European products in the first instance, it's designed to help me figure out which brands I currently use, but may need to avoid, so I can find better alternatives that are local, European, allied countries, or even values-led US brands if no other option exists.

Here's what I did:

  1. Got the idea from Reddit: I saw a post on Reddit with a visual of all the brands owned by big multinational companies. Really helpful to see the visual but there were literally thousands, and I wanted a text list I could feed into an AI chat as a reference document.

  2. Did Some Research: I looked up these multinational companies on Wikipedia which seemed to have a relatively updated list of subsidiary brands, focusing on the parent companies I wanted to steer clear of, like PepsiCo, Nestle etc.

  3. Cleaned Up the List: I used AI tool to organise everything into a neat PDF.

  4. Made It Easy to Use for me with AI: I added the PDF to a chat in Mistral so I can quickly check any products I see in my fridge or cupboard. The AI helps me spot any brands I should avoid. I can also just list the brands off using voice for ease/speed but accuracy suffers a bit. I may also be able to just take a picture but havenโ€™t tried that yet.

The image is the output.

Anybody with access to a simple list and an LLM could do this. Been inspired by the excellent websites and resources others have made and posted here, which I will use to find alternatives - but I first needed to know where the problems were!

Im hoping this will make it easier to buy stuff that aligns with my values. Hope this makes sense and helps someone else too!

Edit1: added link to source PDF containing list of companies and their brands. You can download this and search manually to avoid any use of AI. https://files.catbox.moe/jtmcb5.pdf

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[โ€“] synicalx@lemm.ee 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Why not just ctrl-f the PDF?

[โ€“] jim_v@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Because AI.

[โ€“] colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Itโ€™s essentially an image with logos of brands and no text - OP posted it above

Edit: it appears I was wrong, there is also a text only PDF so your point is valid

[โ€“] antipiratgruppen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does the PDF contain all the products of all the brands associated with each top-level US company (owner)? If not, the LLM can help finding the connections between product/brand and US-based owner, given that it was trained on data about those relations. However, if the relevant training data is lacking or faulty, it could also sometimes result in wrong answers... (but with confidence!)

[โ€“] synicalx@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Sounds like the PDF, assuming itโ€™s accurate and current, is more reliable.

[โ€“] OrlandoDoom@feddit.uk 22 points 4 months ago (8 children)

With AI, it might randomly forget stuff that is on the list, and it might randomly add to the list. Personally I wouldn't rely on it

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[โ€“] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A good idea, but be weary: LLMs will often give outputs that sound plausible but are actually not consistent with what you gave them. Ultimately, you should check the output every time.

At which point, it may be better to just have a detailed list and do a Find operation. Still plenty of applications for non-AI workflows.

[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

True, there is always that risk.

[โ€“] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

OK so here are some brands butter kiss twinning English breakfast tea Hovis seed sensations KP peanuts tonics, caramel wafers Mentos pure chewing gum Tropicana juice after eight mince Doritos mild salsa Hellmann's mayonnaise Hellmans mustard Rubicon sparkling mango Vera Moretti, innocent

Seems like more commas would help it interpret this list.

[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Agreed. I was speaking into the phone while looking in the cupboard, and this was how it recorded it.

[โ€“] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You could edit it before sending it. Seems like youโ€™re putting a lot of faith in AI for some reason.

[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, the screenshot was the first time I used it. Will know to edit in future

[โ€“] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I used to use dragon when I got tired of typing sometimes, so now I gotta stop myself from saying all the punctuation in my sentences out loud.

But maybe try that, a lot of dictation software recognises it.

[โ€“] jlow@beehaw.org 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Can you post the PDF, please? As others have said I'd never use AI for ethical and environmental reasons but I'd love to be able to look up which brands to avoid.

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[โ€“] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel like having a csv (or any table) and searching that would have the same result, work offline, and be much less computationally intensive?

[โ€“] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You'd need a list of every single product and brand that you want to avoid these companies own thousands of brands.

[โ€“] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

From what op wrote, they have a list of brand names they wants to avoid. Asking about doritos, and searching for it in a table, would have about the same result from that starting point.

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[โ€“] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And with the tool from OP, you have to list every single product and brand that you want to avoid.

By his own admission this only ingests and processes brands given to it via a PDF he gave it.

He is literally using AI instead of ctrl+f because "it's easier"

[โ€“] Symphonic@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's pretty neat! While I see the concern of not using AI for everything. These projects are good for practice and provide motivation. This in turn gives a sense of achievement and maybe lead to bigger things. That to me makes this worth it. Great job.

[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago
[โ€“] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Nestle is evil. While I appreciate trying to vote with your โ‚ฌ, Nestle is a pretty awful company. I donโ€™t even think itโ€™s a lesser evil. Choose carefully.

[โ€“] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

OP said it was on the avoid list.

I see that now. Thanks for pointing that out.

[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

100% agree. Nestle is evil.

[โ€“] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I know I am in the minority, but it's not like the rest of Switzerland should be supported economically or politically either.

Of course, Hungary should come first, but I think that having it in the EU gives us leverage that we will never have with Switzerland.

[โ€“] twinnie@feddit.uk 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Twinings English Tea should be avoided because itโ€™s dogshit. Buy English English Tea. Nobody else seems to get it right.

[โ€“] MurrayL@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Twinings is English.

(But if you want actual great tea, get Yorkshire Gold.)

[โ€“] figjam@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can I just have a chart or picture pls

[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is the original chart I saw on r/BoycottUSA.

[โ€“] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Any way to get this in a higher resolution?

[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago

I donโ€™t have one sorry, this was from Reddit. Iโ€™ve also looked for a higher res version online and couldnโ€™t find one.

[โ€“] biofaust@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for this. I tried to replicate but Mistral only output a handful. Any advice?

[โ€“] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Can you see my prompt there? I didn't do anything else than activating the web search and running those prompts.

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[โ€“] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't get it. You're making fun of the person using the spicy word predictor, right?

[โ€“] Mobster@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago

Sorry, Iโ€™m not familiar with the reference.

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