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transcript"Pretty shitty how baseline human activities like singing, dancing, and making art got turned into skills instead of being seen as behaviors, so now it's like 'the point of doing them is to get good at them' and not 'this is a thing humans do, the way birds sing and bees make hives.'"

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My baby niece started bobbing up and down when a song came on, happily waving her little fists and shaking her little diaper butt.

I was like "that's terrible, you'll never be a star, keep your day job you untalented hack!"

[–] lime@feddit.nu 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

thought i was on linkedin for a sec

[–] Juice@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy is LinkedIn for NEETs

[–] Gustephan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly I'd bet the average lemmy user is more likely to be employed than the average LinkedIn user. My experience on LinkedIn was a bunch questionably effective recruiters who rarely even understood the words in the job requirements they were trying to fill, where my lemmy experience so far has been "all of the people working in tech who hate silicon valley technofeudalism"

[–] Juice@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

It was just a half baked joke, NEETs are based anyway

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My partner made up a word - Dysfunctionlust: the pleasure you get from doing something that you feel no pressure to be good at.

She's quite a good writer but super hard on herself about it, whereas drawing is a dysfunctionlust for her and so quite relaxing.

It's based on the German word funktionslust: the joy of an organism doing what it's meant to do, like a dog running.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't not see the "Dysfunctionslut" in there, though. 🤷🏽‍♂️😅

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's also great! Dysfunctionslut is much cooler than just saying "I have really bad ADD"

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

I was envisioning those select few who, born with genes that make them sexually attractive to most others, seem to apply just as much effort and skill to the act itself — often to the ironic disappointment of fellow participant(s).

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[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago

Be the change you want to see, no one will stop you. I certainly won't.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Capitalism causes us to commodotize everything. I saw this switch as well during the 2000s in Internet culture. It went from people making websites about their cats and stuff to people chirping out "but how will that be profitable?!" in response to most ideas.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I remember 11 year old me trying to monentise a crappy weebly site I made.

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

....

She does realize birds are literally in a clmpetition trying to find a mate, right? Right?

[–] Padit@feddit.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The birds singing is basically the same as some lads pumped full of testosterone yelling "hey sweetie, wanna hang out?" In high street...

[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I believe it's more like yelling "YO WOULD YOU NOT LIKE THIS FABULOUS SPECIMEN THAT IS ME TO COME INSIDE YOU?"

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Then why do birds sing quietly to themselves?

This only applies if you give a shit what other people think of you doing innocuous things.

Paint a terrible picture and have fun doing it. Dance your way down the sidewalk when the mood strikes you. Sing whenever you want. Sometimes I'm in the grocery store and they start playing a banger on the speakers, damn right I'm gonna sing along to it while I'm evaluating the pros and cons of competing spaghetti packages.

[–] _____@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've been playing music for over 14~ years and I personally love that it is difficult and I always have something to work on

I want to be good at it. I will be good at it. I don't feel bad because I'm not a gifted musician. I play for myself and improvement is an amazing feeling as a musician.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This post has had me thinking for most of a day. I kind of love the phrase that these are things that humans just do.

But I think that learning and improving and sharing ideas and methods are perhaps even more a thing that people do. So, practicing and studying e.g. music or dance should be peak human activity.

Making it a business is.. let's say an opportunistic option. Definitely should not be a necessity or a default, but possibly an option.

(40+ years of music practice for me, too. I'll never be professional, but I also won't voluntarily ever stop.)

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if you show any ability above terrible, everyone starts telling you about how much money you can make.

Fuck off. I do this for me.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

I've mostly heard that from boomers. I thought it was some weird post war mentality and upbringing that you need to be doing profitable work all day and sleep all night and breed and that's all that matters.

[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think these things still exist on the full spectrum of “feels human, so do it!” to “you’re so great, it’s a skill you can use to earn a living.” There are tons of things like this. Cooking, massage, comedy, playing an instrument…nearly any service or entertainment skill. Believe me, ain’t nobody gonna pay to hear me sing (maybe to stop…), but I still sing along at the top of my lungs (when it won’t torture anyone) because it makes me feel happy!

ETA: This is nothing new. See “bards.”

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

“Edited to Add”

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean... Those things are all skills. They are skills anyone can develop barring some kind of disability (you're probably not gonna be singing if you don't have a larynx, for example).

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

maybe they could learn to whistle? Does that require a larynx? For that matter, does whistle count as singing? Now I have so many questions.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a good question. Personally, I think it should but I am pretty sure I've seen it classified as playing an instrument once.

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess it's really no different than a flute... I also can't play a flute worth a shit as well as whistling so yeah. Makes sense as an instrument.

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[–] schema@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As long as it's not your sole source of income why would you give a shit about being good at it as long as you enjoy it?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

People need to have enough time and be calm enough to be able to do things for the sake of doing them instead of for money.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think you missed the point. It's not about income at all, it's about expression. Not speech, expression. It's about how today most forms of human expression are viewed as only valid if that activity can support a person by making money. Rather than expression being valid because a person expressed it.

Now there has always been people who were particularly talented at expressing themselves and were valued because of it. OP's point is that as today society says that no one should bother expressing themselves unless they're one of the talented people who were fortunate enough to turn it into a career. Which is bullshit, express yourself.

[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Real I'm 14 and this is deep vibes.

Nobody's gonna stop you from doing any of that. Well, maybe from singing in public but that's less about skill and more about not disturbing others by being loud and obnoxious.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

And making art in public is vandalism, dance and maybe someone will think you're on drugs and call the police. Spend your time doing human things alone for no profit and maybe society won't let you have shelter or medicine. People are absolutely going to stop you unless you're really good at fighting for it.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Only if you let them. I do all these things without regard to skill. Maybe surround yourself with more laid back people?

[–] hark@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It's even worse when the point isn't even to get good at them, but rather to make money off of them.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes I imagine how human life could be like if we weren't trained to live within such narrow uncomfortable lines and it's kind of sad

[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think I get the point they're making, but eeehhh? I don't think "art is something inherently human" and "you can (and maybe even should!) be improving your abilities in art" are in conflict with each other. Humans have been able to make art for as long as we've been human, but we've also had an implicit understanding of seeing two pieces of art and picking which ones we preferred in the moment. Capitalism didn't really change that, we've had masters and apprentices since antiquity.

Couldn't we say that the desire to make better art and the anxiety that comes with examining your own progress just as easily be called a behaviour unique to humans?

(Edit: writing that last part made me come up with the image of bees that have imposter syndrome about how they build their hives and I don't know how to feel about that)

[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

Also just as an observation: monotony is boring and I think aversion to boredom is a big reason people seek different things (maybe even things that require more skill to perform). Who wants to dance the same dance their whole life?

I feel like people in the past were as susceptible to being bored that we are -- maybe even more because there were a lot fewer things to actually do back then.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Counterpoint, modern art has desperately tried to move into the territory of "things people just do" and its terrible.

Fine arts and the old arts are pretty goddamn spectacular in comparison.

Skill and effort should be celebrated, and people should also be able to just do.

[–] Upperhand@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I don't get it. Do all of it if it makes you happy, but get paid if you can and love doing what you do...

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

i write because i hate myself and writing is pain.

....if you want to just make art or sing, no one is stopping you. You don't need to treat it like a mountain you're required to summit. You know what? This post is pretty shitty, too.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Birds sing and make hives literally with purpose, what a stupid example to use.

I’m terribly bad at all three by societal standards but I enjoy all three when no one is around.

(Or atleast I did, before I got a chronic illness that prevents me from doing them)

[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a job for AI! That way we'll have more time for washing dishes and folding clothes.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Wait until smiling is commercialized! Then if you smile and you're not a professional smiler you'll be mocked (but with a straight face).

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

As someone who loves to sing and make music, as someone who loves to dance and to be crafty, and as someone who inherently sucks at it - especially the music part, I can't tell or hold a rhythm, let alone a note - this post really got me. I often feel like I am not allowed to sing or join or like I have to hide that I used to play guitar and write songs for hours when I was a teen and young adult. Because I was never good at it. Because the chords were just strummed. The chords didn't fit the melody in my head and I could not sing the melody as it was in my head. And I just suck at it. And still, it brought me so much joy. It was such a big part of my life. I loved it.

I now sing songs to my daughter when we are in public. I pretend it is because she wants to hear them. It's a great alibi. (She often doesn't like my singing.) Sometimes she joins in. This is the best. There is no better sound in the world.

I'm ok at writing. But even this - I am a biomedic, not a writer. I didn't study linguistics or literature or politics or journalism, I am absolutely not in the writing world. I can't write professionally, so why should I even write. There are tons of more talented people who actually learned how to write out there. I leaned out of the window and got a side gig while I was on mat leave and wrote for a blog 2-4 times a month for a year. It was the best. I was paid peanuts but these were the tastiest lil' peanuts I've ever devoured.

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