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I work in education. Earlier today, I was accidentally out of the room during morning announcements (I'm usually sitting in the back). When I came in, the pledge of allegiance was going HARD. It took all my willpower to prevent myself from sprinting to my desk to sit down so I wouldn't be standing during the pledge of allegiance (fascist brainwashing!).

Evidently, my behavior was conspicuous and my coteacher asked 'Are you an objector?'

Sheepishly, I replied "...yeah."

On 9/11 of all days.

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[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you can't sit at least slouch against the wall and check your phone

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I like this option because it seems more disrespectful.

Extra points if you yawn loudly.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

Pick your teeth, spark up a j, spit, whatever.

[–] bubbalu@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have reached one step higher n normally I pointedly sit there quietly and then (am the only one) saying the daily affirmation very loudly so its not like they just didn't hear me previously.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] bubbalu@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's cute. They have a second pledge where they promise to love themselves, study hard, and recite that they are essentially empathetic, intelligent people worthy of dignity.

[–] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Hell yes.

I am an empathetic, intelligent person worthy of dignity and I DO NOT pledge allegiance to the United States of America!

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Whenever I move into a new classroom and there's an American flag up, the first thing I do is snatch that sucker down and throw it into a closet. Now I have an enormous gay flag to replace it with.

Death to America

[–] pillow@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

the wokes are destroying america sicko-wholesome

[–] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are you an objector?

Love how the severity of this makes it sound like you’re a draft dodger or something. “Being an objector” sounds like slang from a YA dystopia.

It would fit as a YA dystopia term so well. If the author wanted to really push it the in-universe chuds would have a dehumanizing slur where they call them objects.

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

You see people who don't care did exist before the oath of allegiance, but since it is established the relation to it is framed in the terms of for or against (objectors).

Of course this has a dialectical attribute the non-participant of the oath was only created due to the "oath ritual" in its specificity.

Corollary if someone would object or not participate, then this becomes a very clear political act, the negation of it. So while it is a tool of forced unity it also bears the seed of resistance in it, even for "unpoliticals". Would love to know how many "unpolitical" students in the USA do object, though.

[–] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

When forced into that situation the correct action is to give a "roman salute" to the flag before placing your hand on your heart.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

Unironically braver than the troops. fidel-salute-big

[–] CrispyFern@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One time I went to a minor league baseball game and was standing in a long line before the game for beer. I kinda zoned out and daydreamed for a while and when I zoned back in I noticed EVERYONE in line in front of me was turned around staring at me. I had a moment of panic before I realized that the national anthem was playing and there was a flag directly behind me.

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I had a moment of panic before I realized that the national anthem was playing and there was a flag directly behind me.

So can you translate for a non USA-brain what consequence this has?

[–] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think the idea is that fae thought people were staring for some unknown startling reason before noticing that they were simply exhibiting the traditional Amerikkkan pavlovian response of staring at the nearest flag and holding your hat/hand over your heart/saluting when the anthem plays, regardless of context. There's no real consequence other than an awkward moment, usually, unless you're really unlucky and some chud is feeling very patriotic/drunk that day. Fistfights and such may start or escalate from there in the worst situations, but it's not extremely common.

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

the traditional Amerikkkan pavlovian response of staring at the nearest flag and holding your hat/hand over your heart/saluting when the anthem plays, regardless of context

This does sound so strange to me.

[–] eatmyass@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

I can’t stop laughing at the pledge of allegiance was going HARD. Perfect characterization. Was the person yelling it or something? I’m imagining like a bass boosted pledge of allegiance, or someone throwing in adlibs.

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[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Not only do I not put my hand over my heart or stand during the pledge, I convinced my friend who is also a teacher to not do it.