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[–] TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 90 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Here's a Tumblr post about how different versions of Bruce Wayne (comic books, animated series, etc.) have donated huge sums of money to charities and other improvements to Gotham City.

[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Meh. Only suckers give a shit about the “generosity” of billionaires. Tax them. Tax them down to millionaire status. Why should they dictate what programs get funded? It’s never worked before.. it’s not suddenly going to start now.

I mean, your own tumblr link is proof of that. After all, Gotham’s still a crime ridden shithole, isn’t it? Clearly Bruce Wayne doesn’t know what Gotham actually needs.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you think removing the main plot device is the way to go for Batman stories?

Not necessarily disagreeing with you in the real world. But what do you expect from fiction?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (10 children)

At the end of the day it's all propaganda. Yes, I think the best version of propaganda about how to deal with the wealthy would do this, and show how it's more effective. I don't think creating media about how we should rely on billionaires to solve our problems out of their own good will is a good idea.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Gotham’s still a crime ridden shithole

In most continuities, Gotham is literally supernaturally cursed, often in multiple different ways

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

I am convinced that someone at some point in the DC universe timeline decided to make a shithole sink just to see what happens, Gotham was the end result. Shame it somehow became multi dimensional.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Points for talking about real issues but also this is a pretend fantasy billionaire we're talking about

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I like how every response to this is complaining about how he, a fictional billionaire that can't actually change the status quo due to how superhero comics work and their inherent nature as propaganda, isn't doing enough. He runs a rehabilitation program for members of gangs like the Penguin's that are often working for these supervillains out of desperation and then hires them at his companies after, hiring convicts at twice the rate of other companies? Well, he should be paying them more than [undefined number]! Clearly, he's only doing this because it makes him richer than his infinite money already does! AND he hasn't even overthrown the corrupt government and installed his own socialist paradise. Clearly, everything that happens in the comics is all his fault, and he only acts when he deigns to trickle down some money to the poor and huddled masses that he sneers at from his golden throne.

It's like complaining that Superman doesn't just lobotomize Lex Luthor and be done with it since he's just going to keep doing evil things and hurting people. Not only did he do that in that alternate timeline where he became dictator of the world "to permanently stop crime," but they also wouldn't have a story anymore if they just did the Marvel movie thing of killing off the villain at the end of every movie.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

He should pay his employees more. I don't care if he pays them twice the average for their positions, he is clearly wealthy enough that his businesses can afford it.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The system we live under explicitly would label that guy an idiot.

Why pay a pleb anything beyond what is necessary when you can keep it for yourself

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

yeah, but that's the societal trap. who cares what other people think if you know you're doing the right thing by taking care of people who take care of you?

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 74 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In Batman begins, the issue is corruption.

Everyone knows Falcone is guilty but no one has the legal ability to arrest him.

So Bruce Wayne becomes a vigilante in a more Luigi kind of way in which he is willing to risk things cause he has the tools to do it right.

The whole point of Batman is doing all he can with his resources, even if that means breaking the law.

But yeah, we know today that the most effective thing he can do is not even charity, but pay for lobbying

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a feature in all superhero media. They don't touch the status quo, or the systems we live in. It's always the fault of a few rotten apples and they're taken care of. Normal people don't need to apply, it's up to a few people with special power to fix it. And in reality, people with money see themselves as more special and empowered than normal people.

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[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A rich guy dressing up in body armor and going around beating up poor people to fight systemic corruption is the most believable part of the whole Batman franchise. In his original incarnation he had a gun too.

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[–] Kompressor@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

It's extremely spot on that instead of doing obvious things that would better the city they just invest in a bunch of industry and tech instead. Very on the nose. Especially the Dark Knight Rises Batman where he had a clean energy program that was the answer to the energy crisis or whatever they were in but he just didn't do it because he thought 'the world wasn't ready'.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How is the world not ready? The world was never ready for nuclear weapons, but we got them anyway...

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

We just need to advance socially as a species faster than climate change, that's all. Easy.

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The main reason super man is better than batman is because superman is working class. There's no ethical way to be a billionaire, even if you inherit it.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Superman is an elite superhero who cosplays as working class

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He's a journalist son of farmers though

[–] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

And a hell of a good dad.

[–] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago

So elite he has trouble paying rent, sometimes.

The point of Superman is that he could BE the most elite being on the planet, but chooses instead to give himself to those who need it most

The second thing he ever did was throw a wife-beater through a wall

Clark fuckin rules

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Always mildly annoyed by this type of meme.

First and foremost: Gotham is fucked. Like... really fucked. Evil secret societies run the place, the water supply is very likely poisoned in various ways, both conventionally and naturally, there's ancient evils buried under the city that have been corrupting it for centuries, a portal to hell in the asylum. We can say "Oh surely a food bank would help" and Wayne absolutely does do that via foundations in both of his parents names.... but all the shit to erase systemic poverty in the world can exist and The Joker, Zsasz, Mr. Pyg, The Court of Owls, Solomon Grundy, and the like are still going to be doing their shit (Not to mention big alien threats like Darkseid.). Likely most of his villains would still be on their grind except maybe Mr. Freeze who actually could have his problems solved by money.

Secondly: You gotta suspend disbelief. Make Superman a transitional power source and no one is gonna read it anymore, even if it would be 'realistic'. Any number of heroes could readily solve a number of the worlds issues. Why doesn't Iron Man put Arc reactors everywhere to power the world on clean energy? How come Storm doesn't get rid of every hurricane before it starts? Why doesn't Ice Man freeze up the poles and cool the planet down? The Flash could instantly deliver supplies to places in need. It's realistic, but it's boring, and boring doesn't sell comics. Okay, maybe Ruins but that couldn't be like... a whole series.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think they did a comic where Iron Man did exactly that, but it ended with him going mad with power.

The problem with Super Heroes is that if Reed Richards isn't useless, you don't have a comic anymore.

For those who don't know what I mean...

Super Geniuses are really good at coming up with cures for "Anicent Polymorphic Diseases created by an Alien Civilization that threatens to turn us all into robot slaves!" that "Work like no bacteria ever before seen under a microscope.", usually having a 100% cure rate by the end of the storyline, it might take a while... like 5 issues spanning over three weeks in-universe

Cancer has them completely stumped and the best they can do for you is to show up in costume when you use your make-a-wish foundation favor to meet Spider-Man.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 20 points 5 months ago (3 children)

In the recent movies, he, or the Wayne foundation, does give a lot of money to charities in the city, and built the monorail system as well.

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I thought his parents built/funded the monorail?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

he, or the Wayne foundation,

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fair, but riding on the accomplishments of your parents is pretty nepobaby...

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

It was also canon that Wayne foundation funded the orphanage in Gotham.

[–] jonne 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

A fucking monorail is some Musk type bullshit.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

The comic writers aren't researching the technical details. The important part is is that they built public transit.

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[–] OccultIconoclast@reddthat.com 5 points 5 months ago

He doesn't in The Batman (2022). But that's because it's a Bruce Wayne origin story. Batman hasn't created his secret identity yet.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

So I'm playing Arkham Asylum and, like, the very beginning of the game you open some doors and shut down electrically powered things by just blowing up the connected panel with a batarang, but then later on you need another tool that blows them up via some kind of frequency overload. If I am still just blowing up the box, why can't I hit it with something or even use my actual explosives? Taking the "bat logic" to game mechanics too. lol

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A sticky Batarang with juicy C4 filling would make sense and keep the theme

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I am pretty sure that's even another tool later on. I've seen plenty of walls you can blow up, but positioned in a way you'd have to throw/shoot something that I do not yet have.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

i want batman who is not billionaire yet still manages to achieve same things through ingenuity and community effort

[–] Emtity_13@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 months ago

Absolute batman, not born a bajilionare

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

The Wayne Foundation is a charity organization run by Thomas Wayne and Wayne Enterprises. For a time, Bruce Wayne lived in its office building's penthouse to be closer to the city.

The Wayne Foundation funds medical scientific research and helps people with research by providing facilities and training.

Bruce's first action as head of the Wayne Foundation, was the creation of a new program called "Victims, Inc. Program" (VIP), which would help the victims of crimes who need financial support.

The Martha Wayne Foundation is a patron and supporter of arts, families, education, and tolerance. The foundation supports and helps to run a number of orphanages and free schools, and provides teachers for those who have learning difficulties. Artists can apply for grants from the foundation to help support them in furthering the arts. The foundation sponsors companies like Family Finders. Family Finders is an organization directed at finding lost people and uniting families. The Martha Wayne Foundation also sponsors and runs dozens of soup kitchens within the city.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It's almost as if he's a crazy person who is responding to childhood trauma in an arrested development kind of way, punching the bad guys who hurt him as a child, forever, rather than dealing with his trauma in a healthy coherent way, almost as if that's a core aspect of the character without which he wouldn't even be the character he is anymore.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To be fair, as common of a criticism as this is

In the lore the Wayne Foundation uses Batman's fortune to fight poverty, and a lot of Batman media goes out of its way to show Batman is always willing to give his villains a chance to turn their lives around.

It only fails because retiring a villain permanently is bad for comic sales (But quite a few like Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, and Harley Quinn at least find themselves in the Heel-Face Revolving Door)

Now Frank Miller wrote a few books detailing why "Rehabilitation is naive and something suggested by the Radical Left because they don't understand how the real world works."

But Frank Miller is a crazy person who also wrote a book where a Pedophile-Coded Batman goes on a killing rampage and Vicki Vale's ass talks to the reader.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Except Batman's saved Gotham and the world a few times. Presumably not being a billionaire would make that much harder. Personally, I think the continued existence of everyone we know and love is worth more than all of Bruce Wayne's wealth.

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[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This conversation is missing the part where he says "all of them"

And then also dresses as a bat

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