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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.


Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


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TIM LENTON: I’m not the only climate scientist who would tell you that if we go to 3 degrees Celsius of warming later this century—which is roughly where we’re heading on current policies—or, if we’re unlucky, and the climate is more sensitive, and that turns out to be 4 degrees Celsius or even more, we see such fundamental changes in the habitability of large areas of the planet that we find it hard not to conclude that there could be some kind of major social disruption, and thus an economic breakdown.

You could think of it as a fifty-fifty chance of losing everything or having a major social collapse

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 5 months ago

fundamental changes in the habitability of large areas ... major social disruption ... we would rather not frame the results in terms of GDP ... existential risks to the viability of ... food and water security crisis ...

Sure, but how will it affect the GDP?